HELP!!!! Clearcoar failure or oxidation

[Brittney]

HELP!!!! Clearcoar failure or oxidation

Hi all new to this site and hoping I can find some knowledge to help me resolve the issue with the paint on my recently purchased dark grey/blue 2009 Honda accord lx p.

Ok so to start I bought the vehicle a few weeks ago, the day I bought it and for a week or so after it rained. When the rain stopped and vehicle became dry I noticed a white hazy look on my hood roof trunk top and along the top of the doors. I originally assumed it was oxidation, so I researched and bought a buffer/polisher and meguiars ultimate compound to try to remove the oxidation.

Once applied the car looked awesome!!!! but within a few hours it seemed like all the haze seeped back through. I have used the uc a few times now and afraid I'm going to do more damage than good if I'm not careful.

I have no paint transfer onto my pads during uc and I don't have places with clear coat peeling off but I'm starting to wonder if its oxidation or cc failure.

Also to add not sure if it helps but when car is wet you cant see any of it just when it dries.

Thank you in advance!!!

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66147

I can take more pics if needed....fyi the truck seems to be pretty much fixed but roof and hood are not, no cracks or peeling of clear coat.




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[Setec Astronomy]

Mike is going to have the best opinion but those Hondas are pretty notorious for clearcoat failure on the upper surfaces. What state are you in (wondering how strong the sun is where you are)?

On the plus side if you have corrected the trunk perhaps you'll be able to "fix" the rest of the car. I'd really keep up on those surfaces with a good UV-blocking sealant; Optimum Car Wax is one that has a dedicated UV inhibitor in it. Or a coating might be another way to go.

[Brittney]

Thanks!! I am in the mountains of NC but bought the car from TN which is much hotter than it is here. I am hoping its not clear coat failure but I'm kinda leaning that way. Absolutely no bubbling or peeling "yet" and its all horizontal panels.... I used the uc probably 3 to 4 times on trunk area u can see it a little bit but pretty much cleared it up but hood is a different story. I really appreciate the quick response!

[asalesagent912]

If you tried compounding it and it just comes back, im gonna say i thinks its clear coat failure.

[Brittney]

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This is the trunk if you look closely you can see "spots that look like water spots but white haze is gone.


https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/attachments/ask-mike-phillips-your-detailing-questions-/66148d1553093247-help-clearcoar-failure-oxidation-img-0234-jpg



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[Brittney]

that's what I was afraid of asalesagent921! compounding really helped trunk and tops of doors but not hood or roof it looks great when I first put it on but dries up and white is back

[SCABHUNTER]

that's what I was afraid of asalesagent921! compounding really helped trunk and tops of doors but not hood or roof it looks great when I first put it on but dries up and white is back

I think a good option is citrol 266.
You may want to try this. Your clear coat may be stained.

[Brittney]

Thanks scabhunter its defiantly worth a try! Really hope its not cc failure seeing as to I just bought the car but if it is maybe it wont be tooo expensive to have fixed!

[Mike Phillips]

so I researched and bought a buffer/polisher and Meguiars ultimate compound to try to remove the oxidation.

Once applied the car looked awesome!!!! but within a few hours it seemed like all the haze seeped back through. I have used the uc a few times now and afraid I'm going to do more damage than good if I'm not careful.

I have no paint transfer onto my pads during UC and I don't have places with clear coat peeling off but I'm starting to wonder if its oxidation or cc failure.



I downloaded your pictures in full size and then uploaded them to the gallery to make them easier to see for myself and everyone.


The sections that look white do look like beginning clearcoat failure. This would explain why you're not seeing paint transfer. The clear layer of paint is there, probably just barely, but it's dying fast.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/722/hpaint_01.jpg

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/722/hpaint_02.jpg


I don't know if I've ever seen paint look so weird? And you're NOT getting paint transfer? That's a good sign but the paint still looks very weird.
Because you only see this on the,

Hood
Roof
Trunk lid

The three horizontal panels that take the most abuse from both the sun but also inclement weather and air pollution and chemical fallout, I'm going to say, if compounding with Meguiar's Ultimate Compound creates a temporary improvement but then the ugly returns.... whatever it is that is wrong with the paint it's time to stick a fork in it and call it done.

Plus it's 9 years old. That's a long time in car clearcoat years.



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[Mike Phillips]

See my article and the picture in it here,

Beginning Clearcoat Failure (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/29197-beginning-clearcoat-failure.html)

Here is the best example I've been able to find that shows beginning clear coat failure, it's from a thread I created on MeguiarsOnline called the The Clearcoat Failure Photo Archive (https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fmeguiarsonline.com%2Fforums %2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D20411)


http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2600_8_30_06OG003.JPG



Since I have not been able to find a similar car with the beginning of clear coat failure to photograph for the AG forum, and because this is a very useful picture for helping people diagnose what type of problem they're having with their car's clear coat I've added to the Clearcoat Failure Photo Gallery Archive here on AG but have given proper credit to where I obtained the photograph.

Due credit where due credit is due.... which more people would do this...


On AutogeekOnline.com

The Clearcoat Failure Photo Gallery Archive (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/rough-draft/19985-clearcoat-failure-photo-gallery-archive.html)


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[tomsteve]

Thanks scabhunter its defiantly worth a try! Really hope its not cc failure seeing as to I just bought the car but if it is maybe it wont be tooo expensive to have fixed!

if its CC failure(and looks like it) and its on the hood, roof ,trunk top, and along the top of the doors, thats just about a complete repaint at a body shop. i couldnt see a shop wanting to do anything less(trying to sand off the clear and leave the basecoat) as its not only their name and reputation but also future problems and lawsuits.
they could repaint/clear the hood and trunk and possibly the roof. if the roof has breaks in it- body lines to tape off and end the painting- it wouldnt be bad. if theres no breaks then theyd have to blend into the sail panels and possibly clear the rear QP's-blending clear isnt done too often.
either way, youre probably going to be looking at $1500+,which that price would be just the hood,roof, and trunk. full repaint at least double.

that not expensive, though, compared to a repaint on a ferrari or lambo!:laughing:

[SCABHUNTER]

It maybe worth a try.. as I continue looking at the photos it looks pretty nasty. I’m started to lean towards chemical burn. If citrol doesn’t work, I would have it sanded. If it goes through the clear coat, at least you tried your best.. and have it repainted. I would not waste too much time, effort and money at this point. Fill us in on what the outcome is. We’d like to know. Just make the best decision you know how.
Good luck

[Brittney]

See my article and the picture in it here,

Beginning Clearcoat Failure (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/29197-beginning-clearcoat-failure.html)

Here is the best example I've been able to find that shows beginning clear coat failure, it's from a thread I created on MeguiarsOnline called the The Clearcoat Failure Photo Archive (https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/redirect-to/?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fmeguiarsonline.com%2Fforums %2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D20411)


http://archive.meguiarsonline.com/gallery/data/500/2600_8_30_06OG003.JPG



Since I have not been able to find a similar car with the beginning of clear coat failure to photograph for the AG forum, and because this is a very useful picture for helping people diagnose what type of problem they're having with their car's clear coat I've added to the Clearcoat Failure Photo Gallery Archive here on AG but have given proper credit to where I obtained the photograph.

Due credit where due credit is due.... which more people would do this...


On AutogeekOnline.com

The Clearcoat Failure Photo Gallery Archive (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/rough-draft/19985-clearcoat-failure-photo-gallery-archive.html)


:) Thank you mike! That is about what I have came to the conclusion of since I bought the car three weeks ago may just take back and trade I can’t stand the paint imperfections