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stylo
10-23-2018, 09:27 PM
Don't tell me that ... I already have a package of MOHS ready to go lol.

I am sure it's definitely going to provide better scratch resistance than the CanCoat but at the same time, I am not expecting errant doors to be bouncing off the MOHS coating :laughing:

The Guz
10-23-2018, 09:54 PM
Cancoat is a sealant... it won't protect against scratches. Think of it as Gyeon's version of Reload. It will protect against UV, make the paint harder to get dirty and easier to clean but it won't provide any noticable scratch resistance.

Unfortunately this is not the case. Budget correct me if I am wrong but didnít you speak to a Gyeon rep and they mentioned that CanCoat has 30% SiO2.

Budget put it perfectly on CanCoat.

You must be thinking of Cure which would fall in the same category as Reload.


Ahhh absolutely ! CanCoat was really just the practice run with using the DA polisher for the first time and applying a SiO2 coating. I will just re-do the car with MOHS in 6-12 months.

Have to say I have been really happy with the self cleaning and gloss of CanCoat but you guys have pointed out the main flaw for me here being the lack of scratch resistance (which incidentally, it isn't advertised to provide).

Hereís the thing with coatings. Donít buy too much in the hardness rating or even durability claims.

Coatings are not impervious to scratches. They help with wash induced marring. But even then that is pushing it.

Durability is going to vary depending on the environment it is exposed to and maintenance among other factors.


I'd call CanCoat more of a coating-lite product as opposed to a Reload-type 'maintenance product' which are now sealants? It's hard to keep up.

In any event, even Mohs isn't gonna be that much more scratch/mar resistant; bang a door against it and even the mightiest, diamond-infused, 10h coating is gone give way.

Perfectly said.


Don't tell me that ... I already have a package of MOHS ready to go lol.

I am sure it's definitely going to provide better scratch resistance than the CanCoat but at the same time, I am not expecting errant doors to be bouncing off the MOHS coating :laughing:

I posted up my experience on coating hardness up above.

Here is my take on both products. I will be posting up my thoughts on my coating experiences before the end of the year as I put my thoughts down on paper. Along with a supplemental write up on observations Iíve made with some of these various coatings in a separate test.

Saying that CanCoat has better hydrophobic properties compared to Mohs even if it doesnít last as long in the long run. Mohs to me was rather blah other than the look it leaves on the surface.

If you want scratch resistance then paint protection film is what you want. That also has its limitations.

You may want to play with the combination of Mohs + CanCoat. Seems like a favorite amongst Gyeon users.

Gyeon Primer Polish definitely does add increased longevity.

stylo
10-23-2018, 10:13 PM
All I am really after is to prevent/minimise swirls/scratches from washing - this is after all, where most cars get their swirls from ! I am not after ground breaking scratch resistance.

Now, I speak with from experience with my previous car which was professionally coated with Opticoat +.

It was totally swirl and scratch free from my home washing (2 bucket method etc) and I was happy with the coating for a good 2.5 years. It also escaped any dents and scratches in the time I owned it as I used to park as far away as possible from other cars when I used to take it to the shops LOL (most of us can relate to this I am sure).

After that, I started noticing some swirls especially on the rear bumper, where it gets the most dirt and clearly, I lacked care when washing when it was extremely dirty.

This is the reason that I am going to be applying a Quartz Coating (MOHS) to my new car (albeit not professionally), but the first step was CanCoat just to get a feel for the product.

I am expecting 2-3 coats of MOHS to achieve the same protection as the Opticoat+ but most likely not for the same longevity. I will be happy with 1.5-2 years out of it. MOHS and CanCoat and Cure is looking like the combo to go for :)

Also my cars are always garaged and rarely parked out in the sun ...

TTQ B4U
10-23-2018, 10:19 PM
Hey guys, the wife has managed to put a light scratch mark on the door. The 2 layers of CanCoat is only a week old ..

What are my options ? Go through the cut/polish/finish of the whole door panel or just that small 2Ē x 2Ē spot and apply the two layers of CanCoat again ?

Not a big deal. Just polish down that area and re-coat the panel. It will blend just fine.

TTQ B4U
10-23-2018, 10:20 PM
This is the reason that I am going to be applying a Quartz Coating (MOHS) to my new car (albeit not professionally), but the first step was CanCoat just to get a feel for the product.

Go with Syncro. 2-3 coats of Mohs then Skin = PERFECTION and a SUPER hydrophobic property. You'll love it. Mohs is super easy to apply too.

stylo
10-23-2018, 10:22 PM
Unfortunately this is not the case. Budget correct me if I am wrong but didnít you speak to a Gyeon rep and they mentioned that CanCoat has 30% SiO2.

I had a look earlier ... it's SiO2 content is >10% so I expected some protection .. but clearly didn't get that much.

Again, as you guys have mentioned, it was never advertised to provide scratch resistance ... just the other stuff they advertise like gloss, water repelling, self cleaning etc.

CANCOAT - Gyeon Quartz Australia (http://gyeonquartz.com.au/product/cancoat/)

BudgetPlan1
10-23-2018, 11:18 PM
Unfortunately this is not the case. Budget correct me if I am wrong but didnít you speak to a Gyeon rep and they mentioned that CanCoat has 30% SiO2.

yep, despite website specs (which I guess is technically correct) the number mentioned to me 25-30%




You may want to play with the combination of Mohs + CanCoat. Seems like a favorite amongst Gyeon users.

Gyeon Primer Polish definitely does add increased longevity.

This. While durable, Mohs by itself has rather unentertaining water behavior and is more 'shiny' than glossy; CanCoat on Mohs fixes that right up.




Go with Syncro. 2-3 coats of Mohs then Skin = PERFECTION and a SUPER hydrophobic property. You'll love it. Mohs is super easy to apply too.

I'm not yet convinced of the durability of the Skin component. About 8 months in, it's starting to fade a bit, hold on to more dirt. Time will tell.

The Guz
10-24-2018, 01:43 AM
I'm not yet convinced of the durability of the Skin component. About 8 months in, it's starting to fade a bit, hold on to more dirt. Time will tell.

Noticing the same thing with Syncro and I have it at 10 months. Noticed the decrease in self cleaning at about the 6 month mark.

TTQ B4U
10-24-2018, 05:26 AM
yep, despite website specs (which I guess is technically correct) the number mentioned to me 25-30%

This. While durable, Mohs by itself has rather unentertaining water behavior and is more 'shiny' than glossy; CanCoat on Mohs fixes that right up.

I'm not yet convinced of the durability of the Skin component. About 8 months in, it's starting to fade a bit, hold on to more dirt. Time will tell.


Noticing the same thing with Syncro and I have it at 10 months. Noticed the decrease in self cleaning at about the 6 month mark.

My wife's car was done in April and still going strong like Day 1. I'm going to clean it up and apply a 2nd coat in Nov. over the Turkey day Holiday to ensure it's good through winter or at least better.

Otherwise, Mine and hers are both going strong still.

BudgetPlan1
10-24-2018, 08:01 AM
My wife's car was done in April and still going strong like Day 1. I'm going to clean it up and apply a 2nd coat in Nov. over the Turkey day Holiday to ensure it's good through winter or at least better.

Otherwise, Mine and hers are both going strong still.

To be fair, my test vehicle was a brand new, 2018 Ford Transit (Victory Red) that I applied it to about 13k miles ago and has rec'd no maintenance outside of what Mother Nature and occasional touchless tunnel wash (soap/rinse only) has provided so that's possibly a point worthy of consideration. Some products seem to do better in that kinda condition/scenario than others though.

Coatings and Fleet use is kinda interesting, considering that coatings are currently near the top of the food chain, LSP/protection-wise (and cost-wise). For a fleet vehicle, tiny scratches and marring are inevitable (and to a certain degree, irrelevant) and the main focus is pulling into a driveway with a vehicle that, from 3 to 5 feet away, always looks freshly washed. The ability to maintain this 'kinda clean' finish without having to touch the vehicle for 6 to 8 months is really quite beneficial...and is more than occasionally noticed by clients as well, which is always nice. But, as usual...I digress.

TTQ B4U
10-24-2018, 08:10 AM
To be fair, my test vehicle was a brand new, 2018 Ford Transit (Victory Red) that I applied it to about 13k miles ago and has rec'd no maintenance outside of what Mother Nature and occasional touchless tunnel wash (soap/rinse only) has provided so that's possibly a point worthy of consideration. Some products seem to do better in that kinda condition/scenario than others though.

So it's a typical customer car and care Im the MAN

My guess is the combination of harsher soaps and residual scum left on it are impacting the hydrophobic properties. I had a customer I used can-coat on come to be about 3 months later stating that he felt the coating was gone after similar care. He's a neighbor so I washed it up quick with some Reset Wash and viola, it come back to full hydrophobic property level and he was pleased.

Worst case, and I may do this....to keep the hydrophobic insanity on hers, I will hit it with Can-coat vs Skin during winter. What I like about Skin is the slickness of it. I do a lot of cars with Mohs so I have a few extra bottles of skin around as I buy the Syncro kits vs products separately.

Setec Astronomy
10-24-2018, 08:14 AM
All I am really after is to prevent/minimise swirls/scratches from washing - Now, I speak with from experience with my previous car which was professionally coated with Opticoat +.

I'm a little out of the loop on these newer coatings, but I think you are expecting too much from an enthusiast coating vs. a professionally applied coating...I know Optimum withdrew their retail product that was most like Opti-Coat Pro, and my understanding was the same for CQuartz and some others that the "best" product was reserved for the authorized installers and that none of the consumer-available products were comparable.

That doesn't mean that the consumer products aren't good and that you won't be able to achieve your goal with them, just that they are a step down from what the coating mfrs. make available to their pro installers.

Desertnate
10-24-2018, 09:36 AM
Are the certified professional installed products an improvement over consumer-grade when it comes to marring resistance?

I can see those products being different/better in other characteristics like durability, but I have a hard time believing any coating product would live up to the hardness and "scratch resistance" claims stated by the marketing departments.

Setec Astronomy
10-24-2018, 09:43 AM
Are the certified professional installed products an improvement over consumer-grade when it comes to marring resistance?

I can see those products being different/better in other characteristics like durability, but I have a hard time believing any coating product would live up to the hardness and "scratch resistance" claims stated by the marketing departments.

I don't know...I do know that Opti-Coat Pro (and the withdrawn Opti-Coat 2.0) are SiC coatings vs. the more usual SiO2, and that Gloss-Coat is an SiO2 or a hybrid of the two. I guess my point is that the OP is hoping for Opti-Coat Pro+ performance out of a DIY product, and I'm not sure that is a valid starting point.

PS Again, I'm not saying the consumer-grade coatings aren't good, it's just that for reasons that have been argued/discussed in other threads, the coating mfrs. reserve their best products for the pro installers.

The Guz
10-24-2018, 11:02 AM
My wife's car was done in April and still going strong like Day 1. I'm going to clean it up and apply a 2nd coat in Nov. over the Turkey day Holiday to ensure it's good through winter or at least better.

Otherwise, Mine and hers are both going strong still.

Syncro has been on my dad's car that I see weekly and wash weekly/bi-weekly and at this point I am starting to question the performance of it and the price point of it. Sure Skin is slick and fun to watch, but if it starts to lose its water behavior and self cleaning effect so soon then is it really worth it for the price point that Gyeon asks for it. Not to mention the areas that have failed within 8 months. I will also mention that I used Gyeon Primer Polish and let that sit for 24 hours prior to application of Syncro. I had high hopes for Syncro but those are slowly fading. I will capture my thoughts at the one year mark and determine if I want to keep it.