6 inch orbitals

[nakranij]

So I have a griot's garage 6 inch random orbital polisher and my local supply shop keeps trying to push the Rupes LHR15 Mark II or a newer Flex machine on me. I have never had issues with the Griot's machine. Is there really a big difference in them?

[Rsurfer]

So I have a griot's garage 6 inch random orbital polisher and my local supply shop keeps trying to push the Rupes LHR15 Mark II or a newer Flex machine on me. I have never had issues with the Griot's machine. Is there really a big difference in them?

IMO, yes. The Rupes has a 15mm throw instead of a 8mm which will correct faster. The Rupes has a soft trigger start instead of an on/off switch. The Rupes is much smoother and much more quiet than the Griots. The Rupes is made in Italy by their own plant instead of China.

They are two things going for the Griot. One, it carries a lifetime warranty and the cost.

If you can afford it, you won't be disappointed with the Rupes. You can put a 3.5" backing plate on your Griot and use it for tight areas.

[dennis hiip]

IMO, the Groits will do it all. I have both and unless you are tool geek, there really is not a big advantage with a long throw in the real world for a hobbyist. I know others will disagree.

[Coopers ST]

Another option, replace the 6" backing plate with a 5" plate and get 5.5" pads on your existing machine.

[mk9750]

Mine should NOT be the final word on the topic, but (as someone who is just now transitioning from a hobbyist just doing two vehicles to someone who wants to make money polishing cars), if I were remaining a hobbyist, I would stay with whatever you have. I started with an off-brand 6" DA, and it did fine. I upgraded to a Griot's 6" DA, and it was better. I'm looking to upgrade again right now, but only because I want to do this for profit. If it was just mine and my wife's car, I'd stick with what I have. It does 90 - 95% of everything I need it to do, and at what I estimate is 80 - 90% of the efficiency. The incremental improvement in quality and efficiency isn't worth the few hundred or more dollars you'd be looking to spend for a new piece of equipment if it's just for your own cars.

My 2 cents - Worth every penny you just paid for it.

[PaulMys]

IME, my GG6 does 100% of what I ask of it. As Coopers stated, the 5" BP is a must in my opinion.

As for smoothness, I have used almost every power tool on the planet. In my opinion, the GG6 is smooth as hell for what is basically a converted 6" sander.

Would a Rupes be smoother? From what I have read, I would say it certainly would be.

But, I for one wouldn't shell out another 300 bucks for a little more smoothness when I can use my GG for 8+ hours and have zero discomfort.

[UncleDavy]

I am a hobbyist who does an occasional detail for family and friends on the side. I have a Porter Cable 7424XP and have been contemplating a second machine for some time. After some research and talking to Paulie last night I think I am sold on the Griots GG6. For a guy like me there is no need to spend $400+ on a premium long throw machine. I can reserve the Porter Cable to 3" pads and use the Griots with a 5" backing plate.

[nakranij]

Well Griots has 15 and 21mm long throw machines also. The way they explained it is the Rupes machine is more balanced and tolerances are tighter so it is less fatigue. Right now I only use it on my Camry and Silverado. I might want to use it once a year on my parents Honda Pilot and CRV.

Doing 1 car is allot of work, the Pilot (the large tahoe like body style, not the new body style). I might enjoy the 15mm throw for faster work with larger panels and less fatigue would be nice too, but it is like $200 more for the Rupes. I don't know if I want the liability doing it professionally.a

I was looking at a 3 inch machine though for side mirrors and head light polishing where the 6 inch is just too big.

[VISITOR]

if you want to bang out cars quickly and aren't tolerant of pad stall, the flex 3401 would be an excellent choice and is a proven workhorse. if you want a long throw to compliment the GG6 (use a smaller backing plate and pads for smaller/areas), the G15/21 (cover large/open panels) would be a great addition (video below if you haven't seen it). if you only do your vehicles and a few here and there, the GG6 is all you really need. also.. in regards to GG tool quality (polishers), here's a quote from mike's reply (#31) in this thread...

Here's what you need to get into machine polishing - Recommendations for a beginner by Mike Phillips (https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/2018-new-car-detailing-how-to-article-by-mike-phillips/111332-heres-what-you-need-get-into-machine-polishing-recommendations-beginner-mike-phillips.html?highlight=machine+polishing)




Just to note, behind the scenes, Jeff Brown from Griot's and I are working on something to share about Griot's tool quality.

We don't need any mis-information on our forum.


Hang tight...


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtpgZV9vL1A

[PaulMys]

if you want to bang out cars quickly and aren't tolerant of pad stall, the flex 3401 would be an excellent choice and is a proven workhorse. if you want a long throw to compliment the GG6 (use a smaller backing plate and pads for smaller/areas), the G15/21 (cover large/open surfaces) would be a great addition. if you only do your vehicles and a few here and there, the GG6 is all you really need. also.. in regards to GG tool quality (polishers), here's a quote from mike's reply (#31) in this thread...

https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/2018-new-car-detailing-how-to-article-by-mike-phillips/111332-heres-what-you-need-get-into-machine-polishing-recommendations-beginner-mike-phillips.html?highlight=machine+polishing

Nice post, Allen.

I'm a little sick of hearing that old "Made in China" argument referring to the Griot's machines. As a whole, and rightfully so, we here in the United States have experienced the "Made in China" items that are really just awfully made.

"Crap" for lack of a term that wouldn't fly here. Things people routinely buy in Walmart. The companies that order these things to be made there want it done as cheaply as possible. Quality be damned. China obliges.

But, the Chinese aren't just a bunch of backward people with no skill. Remember, they are on the short list of countries that have built and perfected long-range nuclear armaments.

If you contract with China to assemble, oh......I don't know, the iPhone with all it's intricacies that billions rely on daily, China obliges.

Saying things that are "Made in China" are somehow inferior as a blanket statement nowadays is grossly misinformed and misleading to potential buyers from companies that pay for premium Chinese manufacturing.

[dennis hiip]

I gotta say that I purchased a long throw because of my obsessive thinking and unrelenting curiosity. Really, it's in not that much better relative to the cost. I still use my GG6 and still like it. If another polisher is in your future, consider a forced rotation or a rotary. That way your bases are covered.

[Cruzscarwash]

I've owned every machine minus the mikita 5000, all the rupes and Griot's long throws, pc, flex, them all, now I have 2 gg6s that I daily and wouldn't look back. They do everything and anything. They make me money and they do it quickly and effectively. The lifetime warranty as been used a few times with no hassle. The only thing I'd ask for is this machine in a BOSS body for a bit more comfort but besides that when I had ally other machines I always went back to the GG6.

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[dlc95]

IMO, the Groits will do it all. I have both and unless you are tool geek, there really is not a big advantage with a long throw in the real world for a hobbyist. I know others will disagree.

I actually agree 100%.

Last summer I was hot and heavy on the Rupes stuff I have, and still am! I love their system of tools pads, and liquids. I do not do the washer mod, and I get incredible results every time....

I love the Flex 3401 that I have. It has incredible torque and power. In a word, it is relentless..

Then there is my Porter Cable 7424. Not even the XP. The original little tool that started the orbital craze years ago. It is this tool the generates most of my revenue. Just yesterday I did two cleaner wax jobs with it, and total time invested was just over six hours. It created happy customers, and a fatter wallet. I got it use for something like $48.00 used. I got my 7424xp in 2011 brand new. I keep it in my duplicate rig at home.

Especially for the hobbyist or enthusiast the PC is the only type of tool I recommend. If they're using it two times a year, it doesn't make much fiscal sense to a lot of people to spend hundreds of dollars on such a tool, then the accessories necessary to accompany it.

So to the OP, if you are happy with the GG6, then keep on using it!

[dlc95]

I am a hobbyist who does an occasional detail for family and friends on the side. I have a Porter Cable 7424XP and have been contemplating a second machine for some time. After some research and talking to Paulie last night I think I am sold on the Griots GG6. For a guy like me there is no need to spend $400+ on a premium long throw machine. I can reserve the Porter Cable to 3" pads and use the Griots with a 5" backing plate.

Hobbyist? Yeah keep the PC.

Paul likes that GG6!

Me? I'll take the PC ;)

[PaulMys]

Hobbyist? Yeah keep the PC.

Paul likes that GG6!

Me? I'll take the PC ;)

I told UD in our face to face to PM you on pad choices for his PC

I may have referred to you as "The Master Of All Pads" :righton: