Is this a joke? BF Pro APC is $70/gallon?!?!?!

[Nix]

I get the rules but MY goodness...why can't anyone choose to express an opinion (even if it may be ~perceived~ as negative) without fear of being silenced by the Forum Police Troopers?

^^^this..

[Desertnate]

I get the rules but MY goodness...why can't anyone choose to express an opinion (even if it may be ~perceived~ as negative) without fear of being silenced by the Forum Police Troopers?

I don't think it's the negativity that's the problem. People have been plenty negative about products sold here. I know I have. The problems arise when you get into the "products not sold here" realm.

I think as long as the discussions remain cordial and not offensive in how they express their opinions, yet within the bounds of the TOU, things should carry on without issue.

[custmsprty]

I can't imagine an APC being worth $70/gallon.

I agree with you 100%

I work for one of the largest distributors of Jan San / MRO in the country and The Home Depot bought us two years ago. I have seen every type of cleaner, degreaser, carpet cleaner you name it. It's defintely not rocket science, the chemicals are all the same, the blends etc. I rep the top manufacturers in the country. SC Johnson, Spartan Chemical, Clorox, P & G etc. and regularly work with factory reps. Their is no way in the world I'm paying $70.00 for a gallon of all purpose cleaner. Even diluting that stuff 4-1 it's still pricey and then is it even effective. I sell health care grade disinfectants that are 256-1 and they aren't $70.00 a gallon. Disinfectants cost more to mfg. than apc, degreasers etc. It also doesn't hurt that I see true purchase costs of these types of products too. Say I sell an apc to my customers @ $10.00 per gallon at diltion ratio of 1oz per 32oz water = 32 gallons in use / $10.00 = .3125 per gallon!!

A couple hours ago I was out at St. Pete Beach at some resort properties showing them a new portable dilution control system. They would laugh you off the property if you showed up with an APC and told them it was $70.00 per gallon with a max 4/1 dilution ratio. This one property had 800 rooms and a huge outdoor resort
property and beach area they maintain every day. They are pros, it's gotta work, be cheap and be user friendly.

[mwoywod]

I would gladly pay $70 a gallon for a hyper-concentrated APC/degreaser. If you could diluted 3-4oz per gallon and create an APC that was incredibly effective at that dilution THAT would be worth it IMO. The fact that the recommended dilution is full strength for exterior cleaning and 4:1 for interior cleaning makes it terrible value. I'm pretty certainly curious to see what ingredients were added to the old formula to justify the $15 price jump. Or if it's an entirely new formula all together? Also, while it's still pretty unreal, the list price for the new Blackfire APC is actually $64.99 not $70.

[Nix]

Also, while it's still pretty unreal, the list price for the new Blackfire APC is actually $64.99 not $70.

Sale Price: $65.00
You Save $5.98 (8%)
Item ID: BF-450128-BTL
Retail Value: $70.98

So it will jump to 70.98..

[Bunky]

I would like to see a side by side review with other brands (MK37, Optimum, etc).

[custmsprty]

I would gladly pay $70 a gallon for a hyper-concentrated APC/degreaser. If you could diluted 3-4oz per gallon and create an APC that was incredibly effective at that dilution THAT would be worth it IMO. The fact that the recommended dilution is full strength for exterior cleaning and 4:1 for interior cleaning makes it terrible value. I'm pretty certainly curious to see what ingredients were added to the old formula to justify the $15 price jump. Or if it's an entirely new formula all together? Also, while it's still pretty unreal, the list price for the new Blackfire APC is actually $64.99 not $70.

I have one excellent neutral apc that is 32 oz highly concentrated and it makes 64 gallons, yes 64 gallons!!! I sell it for $20.00, and at that sell cost it is a huge mark up too. That's $3.20 in use cost per gallon, .80 per 32oz. trigger spray quart.

[custmsprty]

I would like to see a side by side review with other brands (MK37, Optimum, etc).

LOL, all I need is to see the product SDS sheet :dblthumb2:

[Heisenberg]

I get the rules but MY goodness...why can't anyone choose to express an opinion (even if it may be ~perceived~ as negative) without fear of being silenced by the Forum Police Troopers?

Negative opinions are fine IMO but you kind of answered your own question. you break the rules on a forum youre subject to moderation. Its really that simple. Its rude to sign up voluntarily for a forum and then disregard codes of conduct. Thats all.

More on topic - this apc definitely would need to show me something extra to grab it. Im sure it works well if you wanted to use all blackfire products for "product synergy"
But ill have to stick with my remaining power clean and mk37 apcs.

[PaulMys]

I have one excellent neutral apc that is 32 oz highly concentrated and it makes 64 gallons, yes 64 gallons!!! I sell it for $20.00, and at that sell cost it is a huge mark up too. That's $3.20 in use cost per gallon, .80 per 32oz. trigger spray quart.

Ok, I want this one! ;)

But to the original post, I'm sure some will buy this APC at 70 bucks. It just won't be me.

[MattPersman]

BOGO in a couple months ?


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[mwoywod]

Sale Price: $65.00
You Save $5.98 (8%)
Item ID: BF-450128-BTL
Retail Value: $70.98

So it will jump to 70.98..

The sale price for 1 gallon of Blackfire APC is $54.99 with a retail price of $64.99. The prices you are referring too are for the combo of 1 gal. of APC and the 36oz. Detail bottle. I just wanted to clarify the actual price of 1 gallon of APC which is still completely unreasonable especially for an APC that is recommended to be used undiluted for exterior cleaning/degreasing.

[RippyD]

I have one excellent neutral apc that is 32 oz highly concentrated and it makes 64 gallons, yes 64 gallons!!! I sell it for $20.00, and at that sell cost it is a huge mark up too. That's $3.20 in use cost per gallon, .80 per 32oz. trigger spray quart.
Doesn't look right - I think you're 10x too high. Should be $0.31 per gallon and $0.08 per quart. To get cost per gallon divide cost ($20) by total number of gallons (60).

[pickles]

WTH?

https://www.autogeek.net/blackfire-apc-bottle-combo-128.html

Seriously, a gallon of APC that is recommended dilution of 4:1, for $70?

Megs is $20/gallon
McKees is $30
Optimum is $40
Blackfire AIO APC is $40.

This feels like outright gouging!


It's not gouging if you don't buy it. If the stuff doesn't sell at that price then they'll have to lower the price to make it sell.

[Eldorado2k]

It's not gouging if you don't buy it. If the stuff doesn't sell at that price then they'll have to lower the price to make it sell.

True... I remember being similarly shocked the 1st time I found out the price of a gallon of Wolfgang Auto Bathe. I thought to myself, "what the heck can it possibly do, and who in the heck would buy it"?
But obviously there's people who buy it...

Btw, It's spelled Bathe, right? Seems like that would be the fancy way to say bath, so I went with it. Lol.