Mckees paint coating vs pinnacle black label paint coating?

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Mckees paint coating vs pinnacle black label paint coating? (https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101-a/115714-mckees-paint-coating-vs-pinnacle-black-label-paint-coating.html)


Both are formulated with nano glass ceramic particles. Both made by the same people. The pinnacle is more expensive but the mckees is a newer formula.

Do you think there is any difference here? The pinnacle claims to be designed to be topped with your favorite carnuba. That's perfect for me but I don't see there being much difference between the 2?

What do you guys think. The same or different?


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[MattPersman]

Different.

Mckees is its own company now. Pinnacle is part of PBMG. Could they be bottled and made at the same place could be hard to say. Doubt you will get the real answer

the mckees new one has si02 in it but many have that, doesn't make them the same. Not like Cquartz ti02 and UK are the same

I'm imagining the new mckees to be closer to Gyeon can coat as far as comparisons go on application and make up.


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Different.

Mckees is its own company now. Pinnacle is part of PBMG. Could they be bottled and made at the same place could be hard to say. Doubt you will get the real answer

the mckees new one has si02 in it but many have that, doesn't make them the same. Not like Cquartz ti02 and UK are the same

I'm imagining the new mckees to be closer to Gyeon can coat as far as comparisons go on application and make up.


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Is the sio2 the same as nano glass? That's what they both advertise

[MattPersman]

Perhaps. It doesn't mean they are the same though. Could have 5% could have 65% doubt you will get a published number

You won't see a lot of actual data on these products. Just vague information and hyped reviews.

Doesn't mean they don't perform. Just no technical data useful to compare.

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[The Guz]

They are both ceramic coatings. No need to over complicate things. One has a claim of 3 years and the other of 2 years.

Again any coating can be topped with any wax as others mentioned in your other thread. The self cleaning effect of the coating will not let the wax stick around for that long.

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They are both ceramic coatings. No need to over complicate things. One has a claim of 3 years and the other of 2 years.

Again any coating can be topped with any wax as others mentioned in your other thread. The self cleaning effect of the coating will not let the wax stick around for that long.

The pinnacle coating says specifically it was designed to be topped with a wax. It's not over complicating to assume it is different then another coating that was not designed to be topped.

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Perhaps. It doesn't mean they are the same though. Could have 5% could have 65% doubt you will get a published number

You won't see a lot of actual data on these products. Just vague information and hyped reviews.

Doesn't mean they don't perform. Just no technical data useful to compare.

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I know that alone doesn't mean they are the same but you take that plus the fact they they were designed and developed by the same people. Plus the fact that they have similar descriptions and ingredients. Then it's not so much of a stretch to think they are the same or very similar? I think it's a pretty legitimate question that needs clarification at the least.

Is there something in the pinnacle coating that makes it more compatible with a top coat of wax? If so does the mckees coating also have that feature. These are legitimate questions given the three facts I listed.

I would rather not spend the extra money on the pinnacle black label coating if the mckees coating has the same features, cost half the money and is easier to apply.

[Valky]

I don't know about mckees, but I will never used any of Pinnacle Coating again. Both Surface coating and Black Label V.2 both are very week coating for my country climate, none of them ever exist more than 2 months. Gloss Coat and CQ stay much much longer.

[The Guz]

The pinnacle coating says specifically it was designed to be topped with a wax. It's not over complicating to assume it is different then another coating that was not designed to be topped.

I am going to reiterate what others have mentioned in your other thread. Any coating can be topped. The reason Pinnacle says it can be topped is because they offer synergy wax in their line up. I would not worry too much about topping any coating as the self cleaning effect will keep the wax from sticking around long enough. Thus over thinking it.

Ceramic=SiO2=Nano Glass. These are buzz words that mean the same thing. Yes every coating is going to vary based on the chemical make up.

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I am going to reiterate what others have mentioned in your other thread. Any coating can be topped. The reason Pinnacle says it can be topped is because they offer synergy wax in their line up. I would not worry too much about topping any coating as the self cleaning effect will keep the wax from sticking around long enough. Thus over thinking it.

Ceramic=SiO2=Nano Glass. These are buzz words that mean the same thing. Yes every coating is going to vary based on the chemical make up.



Thats not the reason why they say it. Thats your assumption. It has nothing to do with synergy wax. It clearly says "designed to be topped with your favorite carnuba wax.

You say they are "buzz words"and "any coating can be topped" but then you say all coatings are not the same. Obviously any coating can be topped that does not mean they all should be topped.

This stuff is all new. Pinnacle black label may have a reason to say specifically their coating is more compatible with a carnuba wax. Instead of trying to answer the question you are trying to give reasons why it shouldn't be asked. The fact is you don't know. Not a big deal but don't try to convince me I shouldn't be asking the question.

If they claim their coating is designed specifically to be topped I want to know about that. Not about the boards coating dogma. I'm sorry but that doesn't help.

If the question had been answered in my "other threads" I wouldn't have made this one. I can read so thanks but I don't need the reiteration.

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I am going to reiterate what others have mentioned in your other thread. Any coating can be topped. The reason Pinnacle says it can be topped is because they offer synergy wax in their line up. I would not worry too much about topping any coating as the self cleaning effect will keep the wax from sticking around long enough. Thus over thinking it.

Ceramic=SiO2=Nano Glass. These are buzz words that mean the same thing. Yes every coating is going to vary based on the chemical make up.

Paint sealant has that same effect. You agree that Coatings are different so why is it such a stretch to think that wax is going to bond to some Coatings better than others?

[Nick McKees37]

Both are formulated with nano glass ceramic particles. Both made by the same people. The pinnacle is more expensive but the mckees is a newer formula.

Do you think there is any difference here? The pinnacle claims to be designed to be topped with your favorite carnuba. That's perfect for me but I don't see there being much difference between the 2?

What do you guys think. The same or different?

Bob McKee is the former owner of Pinnacle Black Label, Pinnacle Natural Brilliance, BLACKFIRE Car Care, Wolfgang Car Care, and Marine 31. When Bob sold Autogeek to the Hulman-George family last fall, he sold EVERYTHING except McKee's 37, McKee's RV and the real estate. Autogeek is a distributor of McKee's 37 / McKee's RV, not the manufacturer.

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[The Guz]

Paint sealant has that same effect. You agree that Coatings are different so why is it such a stretch to think that wax is going to bond to some Coatings better than others?

I did not say that wax is going to bond to some coating than others. The self cleaning effect of a coating is what will keep the wax from bonding longer than it would on uncoated paint.

Again there is no rule against topping a coating. You can top any coating to your hearts content.

Here is my recommendation. Pick a coating and play around with it. You will see what works and does not work. Part of the fun is experimenting rather than over thinking it.

[FUNX650]

Paint sealant has that same effect.

You agree that Coatings are different
so why is it such a stretch to think
that wax is going to bond to some
Coatings better than others?
IMO:
First of all you have to determine:

Do Waxes ever actually "bond" to paint,
Sealants, Coatings; or, as far as that
goes, even unto other Waxes?

Hint:
Think about a well-known Brand's
"hard shell" marketing spiel...



Bob

[MikeC78]

Legit question. I honestly do not see the point of topping a coating with a wax. Seems to me to be pointless and defeating the purpose of applying a coating in the first place. However, I do now and then top mine with a product such as "Reload" after I do a Reset wash.

I think the Guz is spot on with the Fusion wax theory. Why would they not recommend a wax topping when they sell it?