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shadow536
06-27-2017, 08:14 PM
On my never ending search for the perfect lsp for me, I have just recently acquired Fuzion and I'm truly impressed. I've never used a paste wax this easy before. I don't normally stick with an lsp for long, but I'm thinking about giving this one a longer chance. What durability are people typically seeing? I've searched but no one really says. My car is outside 24/7 and washed weekly. Do you guys maintain it with fuzion spray wax weekly? Do you apply the paste wax monthly?

I don't want to waste a product this expensive, but I also really want to keep this amazing shine :laughing:

cleanmycorolla
06-27-2017, 08:18 PM
3-4 months. Its a nice wax. Attracted tons of dust for me. So I only use it for show off purposes for free details now.

But honestly. Don't worry about durability if you're going to apply once a month. I mean one tub has easy 50 applications. Thinnest easiest spreading wax I ever used.

Route246
06-27-2017, 08:27 PM
I have it on my garaged weekend driver as a topper for WG DGPS. I use Optimum spray wax as a drying agent when I wash. I don't plan on topping this car again with Fuzion until I feel like it. I won't be needing it because the Fuzion is worn out, I'll be doing it again because I feel like doing it again.

My experience is also that this is the easiest on and off wax I've ever used.

FUNX650
06-27-2017, 09:38 PM
•I consider Füzion Carnauba Polymer
Estate Wax a (hybrid) Sealant...
-with an expected durability, [based
solely on its own (untouched) merits],
that is counted in months.

•Füzion Spray Wax:
-Similar in content to Füzion Carnauba
Polymer Estate Wax...I also consider
Füzion Spray Wax to be a (hybrid)
Sealant (just comes in a spray "form"):

-A near-perfect synergistic maintenance
product for use as either a "topper", or
a "drying-aide", to complement/augment
Füzion's fantastic characteristics, IMO.

Route246
06-27-2017, 11:56 PM
•I consider Füzion Carnauba Polymer
Estate Wax a (hybrid) Sealant...
-with an expected durability, [based
solely on its own (untouched) merits],
that is counted in months.

•Füzion Spray Wax:
-Similar in content to Füzion Carnauba
Polymer Estate Wax...I also consider
Füzion Spray Wax to be a (hybrid)
Sealant (just comes in a spray "form"):

-A near-perfect synergistic maintenance
product for use as either a "topper", or
a "drying-aide", to complement/augment
Füzion's fantastic characteristics, IMO.

Although I have little doubt that Fuzion spray wax is a great product and drying aid I just ordered my second gallon of Optimum spray wax with the 25% off sale which comes in at $37.49 for the gallon. I use Optimum spray wax for UV more that finish. I use it on every horizontal surface of our four vehicles.


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DBAILEY
06-28-2017, 01:54 AM
I'm a big fan of Optimum Spray Wax also, but the Fusion Spray wax is the best spray wax I have used as far as looks.

shadow536
06-28-2017, 06:39 AM
I can actually expect 3 months on a vehicle that is outside 24/7 and with no spray wax to boost it? Given the appearance, it really looks like a wax that would last weeks at most. I figured I would have to apply it monthly or spray something on it every week. If I can truly apply it every three months that would save a lot of time and allow my pot to out last me :laughing:

So, I guess my question is, how often do you apply it to ensure constant protection without wasting product? I know that's not an easy question to answer, I'm hoping someone has experience with this on a DD and can tell me their routine so that I can get a good idea.

Mike Phillips
06-28-2017, 07:03 AM
How long any product last is such a huge unknown simply due to all the variables... mostly how the paint is "touched" after final wipe-off of the wax as anything that touches the surface means there's the potential for micro-abrasion.


Wash frequency
Type of car wash soap
Wash media
Climate - Wet weather or extreme sun?
Prep before wax application
Car storage or parking? Is it inside a garage a night but outside in a parking lot during the work week? Or outside 24x7




The above is just off the top of my head...

I'd say the most important factor as to how long ANYTHING will last comes down to primarily how the paint is touched after application and final wipe. For most people this will mean how the car is washed,


Owner wash
Brush style automatic wash
Soft mop automatic wash
Touchless wash
100% Hand Car Wash
Professional Detailer Maintenance Wash
Charity wash





Did I miss any?



:)

Mike Phillips
06-28-2017, 07:06 AM
In my opinion and experience, the best way to get the longest life out of a coat of car wax or a synthetic paint sealant or even a coating is to take ownership of the car washing process and then

Use high quality product including your wash mitt, car wash soap and drying towels
Use good technique - most people don't think about how they move a wash mitt over a body panel



Here's my article on how to carefully wash a car with a ceramic paint coating but the tips and techniques would be even MORE IMPORTANT and have more application to a car with a wax or sealant on the paint.


How to wash a coated car - The Gentle Approach for Washing a Car by Mike Phillips (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/ask-mike-phillips-your-detailing-questions/103632-how-wash-coated-car-gentle-approach-washing-car-mike-phillips.html)


http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/watermark.php?file=107599



:)

SabbyNJ
06-28-2017, 08:06 AM
Check out McKees's Turbo Dryer.

http://www.autogeek.net/dp-turbo-car-dryer.html


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fightnews
06-28-2017, 12:04 PM
On my never ending search for the perfect lsp for me, I have just recently acquired Fuzion and I'm truly impressed. I've never used a paste wax this easy before. I don't normally stick with an lsp for long, but I'm thinking about giving this one a longer chance. What durability are people typically seeing? I've searched but no one really says. My car is outside 24/7 and washed weekly. Do you guys maintain it with fuzion spray wax weekly? Do you apply the paste wax monthly?

I don't want to waste a product this expensive, but I also really want to keep this amazing shine :laughing:

I put a coat on for the first time last week. It's the best I've ever seen the car look

silverfox
06-28-2017, 12:21 PM
I've read at least a thousand threads over the years asking how long some LSP lasts and I chuckle every time because the answer is ALWAYS... it depends.

DavidM235ily
06-28-2017, 12:29 PM
It sounds like pinnacle souveran, wolfgang fusion, and mckees trademark waxes are incredibly similar from people's descriptions I've seen on here. I believe the souveran does not include polymers, but the others do. Since they are all PBMG, any chance these are all the same base wax? It would seem logical that they are all some degree of adjusted formulation off one original. Maybe... souveran = straight wax, mckees = wax + polymers, and wolfgang = wax + lots of polymers ?

Bruno Soares
06-28-2017, 12:53 PM
It sounds like pinnacle souveran, wolfgang fusion, and mckees trademark waxes are incredibly similar from people's descriptions I've seen on here. I believe the souveran does not include polymers, but the others do. Since they are all PBMG, any chance these are all the same base wax? It would seem logical that they are all some degree of adjusted formulation off one original. Maybe... souveran = straight wax, mckees = wax + polymers, and wolfgang = wax + lots of polymers ?

I've thought about that too. But I don't think McKee's 37 is owned by PBMG. RME owns it. But Pinnacle and Wolfgang seem to have the same products with different labels for many things.

Route246
06-28-2017, 02:51 PM
I've thought about that too. But I don't think McKee's 37 is owned by PBMG. RME owns it. But Pinnacle and Wolfgang seem to have the same products with different labels for many things.

https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/company-forum-news-headlines/106020-vision-investments-llc-announces-acquisition-palm-beach-motoring-group-3.html

There is plenty of press out there about Tony George's Vision Investments buying PBMG from Bob McKee.


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