The wrong way to apply synergy wax. pics included

[fightnews]

So ive been using synergy wax for almost a year now. It's always been a little tough to remove.I think I learned a lesson the hard way last time though. I've never removed polishing oils before applying because i just didn't realize it made a difference (still learning).

So heres what my car looked like after my last detail.

http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o596/fightnews/20170415_165658.jpg (http://s1149.photobucket.com/user/fightnews/media/20170415_165658.jpg.html)

only problem is I used wet mirror finish on it before applying the synergy. Plus i never removed the polishing oils. I buffed off the synergy per usual. I even sprayed it down with n914 after the synergy cured to make sure i got asll the residue. It looked great in the garage but look what happened after I brought the car out into the sun and it sit for a while.


http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o596/fightnews/20170418_155522.jpg (http://s1149.photobucket.com/user/fightnews/media/20170418_155522.jpg.html)

Ok so this has happened before but never this bad. I think the polishing oils and acrylic glaze stopped the synergy from bonding. I gave it a waterless wash right away. That didnt get it off and neither did a hand wash. It's hard to see but it still has this hazy, blue, oily, film on it.

http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o596/fightnews/20170423_080338.jpg (http://s1149.photobucket.com/user/fightnews/media/20170423_080338.jpg.html)


Ok so I finially decided to give it a hard wash with p21s total auto wash plus a hand washing with it. That worked and here is the car back ito normal after the p21s wash

same panel

http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o596/fightnews/20170423_124834.jpg (http://s1149.photobucket.com/user/fightnews/media/20170423_124834.jpg.html)

diffrent panel

http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o596/fightnews/20170429_172112_1.jpg (http://s1149.photobucket.com/user/fightnews/media/20170429_172112_1.jpg.html)

And here it is after the whole experience back to normal

http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o596/fightnews/20170430_065921.jpg (http://s1149.photobucket.com/user/fightnews/media/20170430_065921.jpg.html)


So the lesson I learned, which may seem obvious to everyone else is, follow the directions. I'm usually good about that but ive had to do about 10 coats of synergy before realizing that, Yes, you do need to use the surface cleansing polish.


Thanks for reading,

Any comments on what you think the problem was or anything I might have done wrong is welcomed and appreciated...

[Setec Astronomy]

Car looks great! I think the problem you had was "sweating" of the wax; we don't seem to have any good threads about that here and I searched on Autopia also--maybe I'll be able to find something later.

[FUNX650]

So the lesson I learned...is,
follow the directions.

Thanks for reading

Thank you for waxing eloquently,
in the posting-up of this notable
detailing reminder. :props:


Bob

[fightnews]

Thanks guys I can't wait until memorial day so I can use the surface cleansing polish and re apply synergy. I think its going to make a big difference.

I've never heard of wax sweating but I'm still learning. Does this happen with other waxes? I think that the acrylic glaze amplified dramatically whatever it is thats happening. Ive used synergy other times and have had similar problems from not removing the polishing oils, but no where near as bad as this time. the glaze is the only thing i did differently this time.


I think the glaze is nice though and would be a great addition to a more traditional wax.

[Desertnate]

I've never heard of wax sweating but I'm still learning. Does this happen with other waxes?

I've had Collinite 845 sweat on my several times. In each case, it was due to me putting the wax on too thick. The vehicle (also black like yours) would look great after the first application, but give it one day out in direct sunlight and those types of spots would start to appear. I'd wash the car and then lightly wipe down the offending areas with a QD spray to get rid of them.

[swanicyouth]

I'm not an expert on much - but I've been using Synergy since the day it came out. So, I may be an expert on this...

1. Only apply to clean naked paint or on top of a coating. Use IPA/Eraser, etc... after polishing with conventional polishes or just use the correct PBL Paint Prep polish.

2. Apply thin thin thin. It's actually not that hard to remove. You need to apply like a wisp of it to a panel.

3. Wet your applicator with DI water to apply. Remove with low nap MF towel.

4. It only needs to cure a very short time.


IME experience Synergy doesn't really sweat. Of course, it may if it's very hot or humid someplace. But, it's not one that is super picky for that, some I've found that are are Dodo Juice & Zymol glazes

[ronkh57]

Agree w Setec, looks like sweating

[Angus]

+1 on wax sweat. Happened to me as well the first time I used Synergy. Based on my casual observations, wax sweat seems to be more common with paste waxes vs liquid sealants. Like Swanic said, the trick is to apply it as thin as possible to avoid the resulting haze.

[fightnews]

I'm not an expert on much - but I've been using Synergy since the day it came out. So, I may be an expert on this...

1. Only apply to clean naked paint or on top of a coating. Use IPA/Eraser, etc... after polishing with conventional polishes or just use the correct PBL Paint Prep polish.

2. Apply thin thin thin. It's actually not that hard to remove. You need to apply like a wisp of it to a panel.

3. Wet your applicator with DI water to apply. Remove with low nap MF towel.

4. It only needs to cure a very short time.


IME experience Synergy doesn't really sweat. Of course, it may if it's very hot or humid someplace. But, it's not one that is super picky for that, some I've found that are are Dodo Juice & Zymol glazes

This might be my next move. I just had a repeat of the same problem. I used n914 1/8 as a prep for synergy but it didn't seem to help at all. Took me 2 washes with apc to get all the residue off. Not exactly my favorite thing to have to do after spending 2 days polishing the car.

I do put the synergy on thin For proof ive gotten at least 20 coats on an suv and have well over a third of the can left..

IDK what the problem is but I get this nasty stubborn residue every time. Even last time when i used the surface cleansing polish i got a small amount. The only reason I keep trying it is because i like the glassy reflective look it leaves after getting the residue off. Ive used it at least 10 times with varying results. Even when it looks great some of this nasty residue ends up coming to the surface.

I'm ready to give up on it. I know I'm not the only one whos had this problem. A bunch of people on the forum say the same thing even though there is no threads about it. I feel i have given it more chances then anyone else would. Its only my OCD driving me to solve the problem

[fightnews]

I would just like to add that I feel putting the product on too thick can not be the problem. If it was you would eventually be able to buff it off with enough clean microfiber towels. The residue left by synergy will not just buff off. It is visible under my high powered headlamp. I can see it but it will not come off even with a waterless wash. The only thing ive found that will take it off is a strong all purpose cleaner or a wash with something like snow foam.