Question about P21S Paintwork Cleanser

[dennis hiip]

I'm getting ready to polish my car and remembered the P21S that I purchased to try last fall. Question. Should the cleanser be used after claying and before polish or after polishing and then sealant.

[Rsurfer]

I'm getting ready to polish my car and remembered the P21S that I purchased to try last fall. Question. Should the cleanser be used after claying and before polish or after polishing and then sealant.

If you plan on polishing there is no need to use a paint cleaner as the polishing will remove any impurities in the paint. Claying however should be done before polishing.

If you wanted to apply a new coat of sealant without polishing then using a paint cleaner before applying your sealant will give you a cleaner surface for it to bond.

[mc2hill]

From the description on the website, it looks to be a post-polish, pre-wax cleaner. I have used a similar product from another vendor, and it works best with darker colors.

[mwoolfso]

P21S Paintwork Cleanser is extremely easy on paint... it is a chemical based cleaner (meaning zero abrasives). In a correction detail, where an abrasive polish is used to remove swirls, this product could be a "finishing polish".

My opinion is that if the intention is to apply P21S Cleanser by hand, then don't bother .... it would be a waste of time. One can make an argument that with a DA it may add value, but for me, "not enough value for my time". I would use this product similarly to Klasse AIO as they are in the same category for all intents and purposes.

[Setec Astronomy]

These paintwork cleansers were around from before it was common to polish your car, and before clay and other decon was common. The purpose was to make sure the paint was clean before you waxed. Today they are largely superfluous, IMO.

[ducksfan]

If you plan on polishing there is no need to use a paint cleaner as the polishing will remove any impurities in the paint. Claying however should be done before polishing.

If you wanted to apply a new coat of sealant without polishing then using a paint cleaner before applying your sealant will give you a cleaner surface for it to bond.

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[fightnews]

If this cleaner is non abrasive why does it claim on the bottle to remove swirls?

[FUNX650]

If this cleaner is non abrasive
why does it claim on the bottle
to remove swirls?
Great question! :props:

•I remember a Meguiar's product label
that said it was "non-abrasive" (but still
could remove the same stuff that P21S'
Paint Cleaner claims).
-I couldn't help but think: Weird.

•Then a Meguiar's spokesperson came
along and said that: 'even though it says
it is "non-abrasive", it still has some very,
very mild abrasives in it.
-It is "non-abrasive" only in the sense that
it won't scratch the paint.'


•IMO:
-This is all Marketing-speak.

Consider the following:
•Copy writers are instructed to avoid using
the word "abrasive" in their advertising and
marketing spiels for many car-care products...
-as it has implications of harming the car's
paint, at least in the minds of the general public.

-I also remember when advertising copy
was first written for Auto Detailing Clay:

It was stated that it "pulled" contami-
nants from the paint surface...when all
along, it's a given, that it's actually an
abrasive product. Just another case of:
Keep 'em baffled with BS...


{Marketing Moguls > Stealerships > Lawyers}


Bob

[fightnews]

Great question! :props:

•I remember a Meguiar's product label
that said it was "non-abrasive" (but still
could remove the same stuff that P21S'
Paint Cleaner claims).
-I couldn't help but think: Weird.

•Then a Meguiar's spokesperson came
along and said that: 'even though it says
it is "non-abrasive", it still has some very,
very mild abrasives in it.
-It is "non-abrasive" only in the sense that
it won't scratch the paint.'


•IMO:
-This is all Marketing-speak.

Consider the following:
•Copy writers are instructed to avoid using
the word "abrasive" in their advertising and
marketing spiels for many car-care products...
-as it has implications of harming the car's
paint, at least in the minds of the general public.

-I also remember when advertising copy
was first written for Auto Detailing Clay:

It was stated that it "pulled" contami-
nants from the paint surface...when all
along, it's a given, that it's actually an
abrasive product. Just another case of:
Keep 'em baffled with BS...


{Marketing Moguls > Stealerships > Lawyers}


Bob

Lol, I didn't think of that. Its not really true though any type of abrasive is scratching the paint even if its only at a microscopic level. Right?