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Thenissanguy
01-17-2017, 08:27 PM
Gelcoat haze? (https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/rv-motorhome-detailing/107327-gelcoat-haze.html)





Hello everyone today i was polishing my toy hauler(gelcoat) it was fairly oxidized until i ran into a problem.

When i look into the sun i find there to be some hazy sports on the gelcoat (they can only be seen if i am looking towards the sun). If i look straight at the trailer it looks great and all i see is my reflection.

Also if i look at it at a angle it still looks shiny its only when i use the sun as a light that the sports appear. It kind of reminds me of rotary holograms that hide until you place the car in the sun.

For my approach i used the flex 3401 with a purple hybrid wool pad.

For a compound i used marine 31 heavy cut oxidation cleaner and found the haze.

I tried going over it with marine 31 final step polish see if that would help but no luck. I bought the marine31 (flex3401) kit that might put together to remove boat oxidation.I even read the entire book that was included to see if i would find the solution to my problem but no luck.

Sorry if i was a bit confusing its sorta hard to describe.

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Coastalf350
01-17-2017, 10:24 PM
Sounds like your not removing the haze that was first caused by the heavy compound. In other words the final step polish isnt abrasive enough. I have recently switched from the Gloss restorer (which is a heavier cut than final step) to the captains one step and it made a huge difference for me on my customers boats.

With the captains one step compound I prefer the Rupes Blue coarse pad. I was using the LC CCS orange and yellow but it also left it hazy.

captains compound, one step boat compound polish, compound for black boat (http://www.autogeek.net/best-boat-compound-polish.html)
Rupes 180 mm (7 inch) Blue Coarse Foam Pad (http://www.autogeek.net/ru180mm7inbl.html)

Thenissanguy
01-18-2017, 06:13 AM
Sounds like your not removing the haze that was first caused by the heavy compound. In other words the final step polish isnt abrasive enough. I have recently switched from the Gloss restorer (which is a heavier cut than final step) to the captains one step and it made a huge difference for me on my customers boats.

With the captains one step compound I prefer the Rupes Blue coarse pad. I was using the LC CCS orange and yellow but it also left it hazy.

captains compound, one step boat compound polish, compound for black boat (http://www.autogeek.net/best-boat-compound-polish.html)
Rupes 180 mm (7 inch) Blue Coarse Foam Pad (http://www.autogeek.net/ru180mm7inbl.html)
Do you first polish with a wool pad to remove the heavy oxidation and then follow up with the corse foam pad ? Or just start off with the foam pad i was under the impression that foam pads arnt good to use on the gelcoat because they will gum up easlily?

Thenissanguy
01-22-2017, 07:23 PM
bump

Coastalf350
01-22-2017, 09:41 PM
Do you first polish with a wool pad to remove the heavy oxidation and then follow up with the corse foam pad ? Or just start off with the foam pad i was under the impression that foam pads arnt good to use on the gelcoat because they will gum up easlily?

I always start with the least aggressive method possible. But a lot of the time I can look at gel coat and see if it's going to need a wool or not. But yes I do follow with the foam. After a 2 sections (2x2) clean on the fly then do two more. I roll through about 6 pads then put them on my rotary and use a pad washer


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Thenissanguy
01-23-2017, 12:28 AM
I always start with the least aggressive method possible. But a lot of the time I can look at gel coat and see if it's going to need a wool or not. But yes I do follow with the foam. After a 2 sections (2x2) clean on the fly then do two more. I roll through about 6 pads then put them on my rotary and use a pad washer


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There are some sections that are very very dull and then they are spots that are not so bad. Do you think i will run into a problem using the blue rupes corse pad on my flex 3401 as far as finish?

GSKR
01-23-2017, 07:19 AM
I think the problem you are decribing is called highs and lows.It's caused by not polishing in a uniform pattern such as pressure or dirty pads.Hard to give advice with those pics.menzerna makes awesome products for gelcoat.I would repolish it again using clean pads and take your time.

GSKR
01-23-2017, 07:20 AM
Or d151 in a gallon.

Mike Phillips
01-23-2017, 07:34 AM
I even read the entire book that was included to see if i would find the solution to my problem but no luck.




My guess is one application, that is one machine application using Marine 31 Captain's Compound will completely clear up the finish. The abrasive technology used in the Marine 31 oxidation cleaner, gel-coat color restorer and final poish is as good as what's on the market but the abrasive technology used in the Captain's One-Step Compound & Polish is top shelf stuff.

That's why you can get these kinds of results for both the compounding and the polishing step from the same product.


Here's John with the top cap after the sanding, compounding and polishing steps... at this time there is no wax on the gel-coat.

http://www.marine31online.com/gallery/data/527/800_How_To_Wet_Sand_Cut_and_Buff_Fresh_Gel-Coat_034.jpg

http://www.marine31online.com/gallery/data/527/800_How_To_Wet_Sand_Cut_and_Buff_Fresh_Gel-Coat_035.jpg

http://www.marine31online.com/gallery/data/527/800_How_To_Wet_Sand_Cut_and_Buff_Fresh_Gel-Coat_036.jpg


Pictures: 1960 Glastron - Wetsand, Cut & Buff at Marine31Online.com (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/pictures-autogeek-s-car-week/84567-pictures-1960-glastron-wetsand-cut-buff-marine31online-com.html)


Send me a PM with your shipping address and I'll send you a quart to test out and see if it gets the finish results to where you want them to be....


mike.phillips@Autogeek.net




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davidc
01-23-2017, 09:14 AM
Now that is service from Mike. Nice Gesture.

Dave

GSKR
01-23-2017, 09:21 AM
Great company.

Eldorado2k
01-23-2017, 10:34 AM
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Thenissanguy
01-23-2017, 11:02 PM
My guess is one application, that is one machine application using Marine 31 Captain's Compound will completely clear up the finish. The abrasive technology used in the Marine 31 oxidation cleaner, gel-coat color restorer and final poish is as good as what's on the market but the abrasive technology used in the Captain's One-Step Compound & Polish is top shelf stuff.

That's why you can get these kinds of results for both the compounding and the polishing step from the same product.


Here's John with the top cap after the sanding, compounding and polishing steps... at this time there is no wax on the gel-coat.

http://www.marine31online.com/gallery/data/527/800_How_To_Wet_Sand_Cut_and_Buff_Fresh_Gel-Coat_034.jpg

http://www.marine31online.com/gallery/data/527/800_How_To_Wet_Sand_Cut_and_Buff_Fresh_Gel-Coat_035.jpg

http://www.marine31online.com/gallery/data/527/800_How_To_Wet_Sand_Cut_and_Buff_Fresh_Gel-Coat_036.jpg


Pictures: 1960 Glastron - Wetsand, Cut & Buff at Marine31Online.com (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/pictures-autogeek-s-car-week/84567-pictures-1960-glastron-wetsand-cut-buff-marine31online-com.html)


Send me a PM with your shipping address and I'll send you a quart to test out and see if it gets the finish results to where you want them to be....


mike.phillips@Autogeek.net




:)

Wow mike i cant thank you enought i dont think i have ever ran into a company like this . You guys always seem to go above and beyond my expectations. That is why you will always earn by buisness:props:

Mike Phillips
01-24-2017, 10:51 AM
Wow mike i cant thank you enought i dont think i have ever ran into a company like this . You guys always seem to go above and beyond my expectations. That is why you will always earn by buisness:props:



I'm traveling right now to California for Competition Ready TV but after I get to my hotel I'll process this as best as I can.


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swflynn
01-24-2017, 01:58 PM
My guess is one application, that is one machine application using Marine 31 Captain's Compound will completely clear up the finish. The abrasive technology used in the Marine 31 oxidation cleaner, gel-coat color restorer and final poish is as good as what's on the market but the abrasive technology used in the Captain's One-Step Compound & Polish is top shelf stuff.

That's why you can get these kinds of results for both the compounding and the polishing step from the same product.


Here's John with the top cap after the sanding, compounding and polishing steps... at this time there is no wax on the gel-coat.

http://www.marine31online.com/gallery/data/527/800_How_To_Wet_Sand_Cut_and_Buff_Fresh_Gel-Coat_034.jpg

http://www.marine31online.com/gallery/data/527/800_How_To_Wet_Sand_Cut_and_Buff_Fresh_Gel-Coat_035.jpg

http://www.marine31online.com/gallery/data/527/800_How_To_Wet_Sand_Cut_and_Buff_Fresh_Gel-Coat_036.jpg


Pictures: 1960 Glastron - Wetsand, Cut & Buff at Marine31Online.com (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/pictures-autogeek-s-car-week/84567-pictures-1960-glastron-wetsand-cut-buff-marine31online-com.html)


Send me a PM with your shipping address and I'll send you a quart to test out and see if it gets the finish results to where you want them to be....


mike.phillips@Autogeek.net




:)"Send me a PM with your shipping address and I'll send you a quart to test out and see if it gets the finish results to where you want them to be...."



Maybe the best gesture I've seen on any kind of forum!