Anyone "Spit Shine" Carnauba?

[Jowillie]

A pro detailer buddy asked me to try a different hybrid carnauba wax so I decided to put a coat on my wife's black cross-over. He also suggested I spit-shine the first layer for increased shine.
"A good technique is to buff the wax with a 100% cotton micro fiber cloth and then spritz the paintwork with cold distilled water and wipe down, this helps to set the wax and will add that little extra gloss."
Where have I been! It works! Did a panel or two as per product instructions, and other panels I spit-shined. The spit-shine made a big difference.

[VISITOR]

in the very early autopia days (before pbmg owned it) there were some who did this practice but not so much anymore/at all...

[FUNX650]

Sure have...
but not exactly by following
the below technique to a "T".


Bob



"A good technique is to buff the wax
with a 100% cotton micro fiber cloth
and then spritz the paintwork with cold
distilled water and wipe down..."

[Eldorado2k]

Where the heck do you get a cotton microfiber cloth?


Sent from my iPhone

[Jowillie]

Sure have...
but not exactly by following
the below technique to a "T".


Bob

So, someone sent this info:

What you are doing is dissolving the solvents so that it doesn't remove the previous layer. One of the very important nuances of layering is to use very little applied pressure and friction when applying subsequent layers as they will have a negative impact on wax thickness Usually a spit shined surface is slicker, smoother, and has different beading characteristics; with even smaller tighter water beads. The durability is about the same (or slightly better) and although spit shining is very time consuming, the improved depth of shine and glossy appearance is worth it

Usually, a wax with a high solvent content will remove the previous layer, so use a Carnauba that is not formulated with a high solvent content (Pinnacle Souverän) A solvent will have the potential to strip subsequent layers, but remember that you are not applying neat solvent to the last layer - but a wax and solvent blend. So it is only a fraction of its original strength and won't strip the wax layer like neat solvent. One of the very important nuances of layering is to use very little applied pressure and friction when applying subsequent layers as they will have a negative impact on wax thickness

Using a damp applicator and cold (almost ice) distilled water in a fine mist spray bottle neutralizes any solvents in the newly applied layer; the water should be cold, using ice cold water after applying a wax will harden the wax quicker making the shine deeper and help the new wax adhere to the finish, working until the water/ wax solution disappears.The reason for using a damp applicator is to neutralize the solvents as much as possible, and to avoid the thin coats of wax sticking to the applicator, this enables the wax to build thin, fine coats. Spray fine mists of cold (almost ice) distilled water to a single panel and then apply a light Carnauba wax to the paint surface.

Always apply extremely thin layers using a very light pressure when spit shining, Wipe it onto a small work area and continue wiping until most of the wax disappears. Mist lightly as needed, keeping a few water droplets on the surface. Move to the next work area and repeat. After you do the final area you’ll have a surface with many spots of hazed wax. Lightly mist an area with the very cold distilled water - 1/2 hood or door - and lightly buff with a MF towel. Turn the towel frequently, when the towel becomes too damp switch to a new towel.

When you spray very cold water on a Carnauba wax layer that has been allowed to outgas (i.e. the solvents that make up its carrier system have evaporated) it reduces the wax surface temperature to the point that the next applied waxes carrier solvents do not dilute the previously applied wax and it forms a semi-hard coat.

Allow each subsequent Carnauba waxes solvents to outgas before applying more layers. Spit shining allows definitive layers, as opposed to a thick coat of wax that would result if the solvents dissolve the wax layer that they are applied to.

After 24 hours you can repeat the procedure, using cold (almost ice) distilled water and Pinnacle Crystal Mist (a low solvent quick detail (QD) each coat applied will increase the surface depth of shine with five or six coats being optimal

Use a low-solvent wax (Victoria Concours Wax, Souverän or P21S) Some wax products use an emulsion to keep more liquid without adding solvents which, in high concentrations could remove the underlying wax too rapidly to allow the "melting" together of the wax" strata.

Also:

Spit shining is used for ‘layering’ Organic wax (although in this case the 'spit' used is cold distilled water) to produce a ‘depth of shine’ providing you take the necessary precautions to prevent the solvents both re-liquefying and removing the previous wax layers.

What you are doing is dissolving the solvents so that it doesn't remove the previous layer. One of the very important nuances of layering is to use very little applied pressure and friction when applying subsequent layers as they will have a negative impact on wax thickness Usually a spit shined surface is slicker, smoother, and has different beading characteristics; with even smaller tighter water beads.

The durability is about the same (or slightly better) and although spit shining is very time consuming, the improved depth of shine and glossy appearance is worth it.

Thanks Bob

[dlc95]

I used to do that.

Back when Zymol Auto Polish was sold in those fancy plastic displays they recommended doing that. I actually still have a jar and bottle of that product unopened...

That stuff never lasted long, no matter what I did. It sure did smell fantastic!

[FUNX650]

These are my favorite 100% Cotton
microfiber towels...a Ghost from
Christmas Past gift from "The Good Wife".

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/500/medium/IMG_19702.JPG

:idea:
Upon my receipt of Nick's Beta sample
(D114's successor)...I might use those
Cotton towels as part of my review.


Bob

[Belair]

I used to do that.

Back when Zymol Auto Polish was sold...

Man are you dating yourself with this blast from the past. Haven't read about Zymol for ages but remember that container - light blue if I'm not wrong. Didn't they have something in a white bottle too? I think PepBoys & Wally World carried the stuff for a long time & sold it for top dollar.

[ViperGuy21]

There a several people over on Autopia(including me)who do one version or another of 'spit shining'

Head on over and check it out! Sorry I'm too lazy to write it all out lol

[Eldorado2k]

I'm too lazy to head on over without a link...


Sent from my iPhone

[Rsurfer]

Like many others here, I have tried spit shinning many times without noticeable results. The time it takes doesn't justify the results. This has been done on 50/50 panels and multiple panels. Applying like you stated using iced water with minimal pressure.

[dlc95]

Man are you dating yourself with this blast from the past. Haven't read about Zymol for ages but remember that container - light blue if I'm not wrong. Didn't they have something in a white bottle too? I think PepBoys & Wally World carried the stuff for a long time & sold it for top dollar.

1996!

[fightnews]

So, someone sent this info:

What you are doing is dissolving the solvents so that it doesn't remove the previous layer. One of the very important nuances of layering is to use very little applied pressure and friction when applying subsequent layers as they will have a negative impact on wax thickness Usually a spit shined surface is slicker, smoother, and has different beading characteristics; with even smaller tighter water beads. The durability is about the same (or slightly better) and although spit shining is very time consuming, the improved depth of shine and glossy appearance is worth it

Usually, a wax with a high solvent content will remove the previous layer, so use a Carnauba that is not formulated with a high solvent content (Pinnacle Souverän) A solvent will have the potential to strip subsequent layers, but remember that you are not applying neat solvent to the last layer - but a wax and solvent blend. So it is only a fraction of its original strength and won't strip the wax layer like neat solvent. One of the very important nuances of layering is to use very little applied pressure and friction when applying subsequent layers as they will have a negative impact on wax thickness

Using a damp applicator and cold (almost ice) distilled water in a fine mist spray bottle neutralizes any solvents in the newly applied layer; the water should be cold, using ice cold water after applying a wax will harden the wax quicker making the shine deeper and help the new wax adhere to the finish, working until the water/ wax solution disappears.The reason for using a damp applicator is to neutralize the solvents as much as possible, and to avoid the thin coats of wax sticking to the applicator, this enables the wax to build thin, fine coats. Spray fine mists of cold (almost ice) distilled water to a single panel and then apply a light Carnauba wax to the paint surface.

Always apply extremely thin layers using a very light pressure when spit shining, Wipe it onto a small work area and continue wiping until most of the wax disappears. Mist lightly as needed, keeping a few water droplets on the surface. Move to the next work area and repeat. After you do the final area you’ll have a surface with many spots of hazed wax. Lightly mist an area with the very cold distilled water - 1/2 hood or door - and lightly buff with a MF towel. Turn the towel frequently, when the towel becomes too damp switch to a new towel.

When you spray very cold water on a Carnauba wax layer that has been allowed to outgas (i.e. the solvents that make up its carrier system have evaporated) it reduces the wax surface temperature to the point that the next applied waxes carrier solvents do not dilute the previously applied wax and it forms a semi-hard coat.

Allow each subsequent Carnauba waxes solvents to outgas before applying more layers. Spit shining allows definitive layers, as opposed to a thick coat of wax that would result if the solvents dissolve the wax layer that they are applied to.

After 24 hours you can repeat the procedure, using cold (almost ice) distilled water and Pinnacle Crystal Mist (a low solvent quick detail (QD) each coat applied will increase the surface depth of shine with five or six coats being optimal

Use a low-solvent wax (Victoria Concours Wax, Souverän or P21S) Some wax products use an emulsion to keep more liquid without adding solvents which, in high concentrations could remove the underlying wax too rapidly to allow the "melting" together of the wax" strata.

Also:

Spit shining is used for ‘layering’ Organic wax (although in this case the 'spit' used is cold distilled water) to produce a ‘depth of shine’ providing you take the necessary precautions to prevent the solvents both re-liquefying and removing the previous wax layers.

What you are doing is dissolving the solvents so that it doesn't remove the previous layer. One of the very important nuances of layering is to use very little applied pressure and friction when applying subsequent layers as they will have a negative impact on wax thickness Usually a spit shined surface is slicker, smoother, and has different beading characteristics; with even smaller tighter water beads.

The durability is about the same (or slightly better) and although spit shining is very time consuming, the improved depth of shine and glossy appearance is worth it.

Thanks Bob

i think over at miguiars they say its never even been proven wax can be layered. thats why they only recommend two coats to ensure even coverage. also what if you use cold quick detailer instead of water? maybe you will get better gloss?

[Jowillie]

".. what if you use cold quick detailer instead of water? "

I think the ice cold water locks the wax to keep the solvents in the new layer from removing it.
I have been spraying quick detailer on my applicator before first applying wax. I don't know if it makes a difference.

[Mike Phillips]

i think over at miguiars they say its never even been proven wax can be layered. thats why they only recommend two coats to ensure even coverage.





The thread on layering was a question asked by a person by the forum nickname Devil Dog.


I wrote the answer. Without re-reading it my guess is the info I wrote is just as accurate today as when I wrote it back in 2004.


What's the deal with "Layering?" (http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2167)


:)