Help! Audi A8

[suf420]

Hello everyone!

I hope that everyone is well ☺️

I have a severe dilemma, I have been detailing my own cars since time immemorial and have come across a challenge!

So my phantom black paint (metallic) has been clayed several times before and recently I saw a video where Mike demonstrated to take a plastic bag and rub it over the paintwork, if it felt like glass it's perfect. The problem I have is I have tried Meguiars smooth clay kit to no avail and today tried a more aggressive bilt hamber claybar which again did nothing, I have used dodo juice detailing spray and used it liberally, so no marring and perfect application however no result.

The entire body feels horribly bumpy when I run my hands across with a plastic bag and it's like little bumps all over. My car has never been resprayed or in an accident so bodywork and paintwork is intact and factory finished.

I am thinking of purchasing a rotary polisher and a dual action but need to know what is it exactly that is causing this problem? 🤔

Any help suggestions will be greatly appreciated 🙏🏼

[JeffM]

It could be overspray paint, or it could be tiny little tree sap drops. Try wiping it and letting it soak a minute with mineral spirits.

[suf420]

It could be overspray paint, or it could be tiny little tree sap drops. Try wiping it and letting it soak a minute with mineral spirits.

Jeff, you may be right, as I have parked a few times at work to return at the end of the day and find tiny sticky drops of gooey stuff all over the car and ants crawling everywhere, but would get the car washed immediately.

Is there a specific product I can purchase? I live in London, England. How about metal fallout removers? Will it be aggressive enough to move it?


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[suf420]

Mineral spirits is paint thinner [emoji15], won't it effect the paint on my car?

I have half a bottle left somewhere but worried about my paint [emoji848]


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[Mike Phillips]

recently I saw a video where Mike demonstrated to take a plastic bag and rub it over the paintwork



The Baggie Test - It's a real eye opener!

The Baggie Test as seen on Competition Ready TV with AJ and Mike Phillips (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/competition-ready-velocity-channel/101668-baggie-test-seen-competition-ready-tv-aj-mike-phillips.html)


http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/watermark.php?file=105525







The problem I have is I have tried Meguiars smooth clay kit to no avail and today tried a more aggressive bilt hamber claybar which again did nothing, I have used dodo juice detailing spray and used it liberally, so no marring and perfect application however no result.


Sounds like both a hard substance and a strong bond to the paint.





The entire body feels horribly bumpy when I run my hands across with a plastic bag and it's like little bumps all over. My car has never been resprayed or in an accident so bodywork and paintwork is intact and factory finished.

I am thinking of purchasing a rotary polisher and a dual action but need to know what is it exactly that is causing this problem? ��

Any help suggestions will be greatly appreciated ����



If you don't mind re-polishing the paint I'd recommend getting a Nanoskin Autoscrub Towel, Mitt or Pad.

You can use the towel and mitt by hand either when you're washing the car or after you've washed and dried the car with clay lube.

You can use the Nanoskin Autoscrub Pad with any dual action polisher.


We went over all 4 of these option at our Roadshow Detailing Class in London.


Pictures from Autogeek's Competition Ready Roadshow Detailing Class at Waxstock in England! (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/autogeek-roadshow-detailing-classes/103520-pictures-autogeeks-competition-ready-roadshow-detailing-class-waxstock-england.html)


Nanoskin Autoscrub Wash Mitts to Mechanically Decontaminate the paint during the washing process.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/watermark.php?file=107470




Nanoskin Autoscrub Towels - Also to Mechanically Decontaminate the paint during the washing process.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/watermark.php?file=107401



These types of products are not cheap so I share a tip I use to identify which side I'm currently using and which side is been worn out.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/watermark.php?file=107467


Here's traditional detailing clay because in our classes you learn to do it the proper and correct way....

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/watermark.php?file=107428



And Nanoskin Autoscrub Pads

If you've read my book, "How to use the FLEX 3401 you already know what I think about these cool tools!

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/watermark.php?file=107430



The thing about using these more aggressive mechanical means of remove above surface bonded contaminants is that you increase the risk of marring the paint. You'll see this on black paint but not light colors but it could still be happening on light colors it's just the human eye has a harder time seeing it.

For this reason, my own PERSONAL rule is that IF I'm going to do ANY mechanical procedure to remove above surface bonded contaminants I'm already planning on doing at least ONE machine polishing step.


:)

[Mike Phillips]

If you think it might be overspray, then besides Mineral Spirits, you can try Turpentine which is a solvent derived from tree sap.

Like dissolves like


:)

[suf420]

If you think it might be overspray, then besides Mineral Spirits, you can try Turpentine which is a solvent derived from tree sap.

Like dissolves like


:)

[emoji5], so the mineral spirits would be fine on the car paint and not affect it adversely?


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[oneheadlite]

This coming from a relative novice, but is there a chance the clay lube being used was providing too much lubrication to allow the clay to do it's job? Just a thought.

[suf420]

Hmm, I don't think so. As Mike said it would be bonded contaminants to the paint.

Update: I used white Sprit liberally on a microfibre cloth and rubbed it on all the body panels. Then went over with clay once again. I must say that 70% of it is gone however I can still feel slight bumps. I guess it may take another 1 to 2 rounds of the white spirit and claying to completely remove everything [emoji18]

I've applied Poorboys black hole glaze and finished with a layer of Dodo juice purple haze and its not looking too bad [emoji4]

Still need to purchase the clay towel/mitt and try that though.




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[suf420]

Mike, what would you suggest I purchase in this case.

A rotary or dual action to use for both removing the contamination with the autoscrub pads and then proceed to polish with a lake country pad (which one?)


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[suf420]

There is one available in London which has a lot of positive reviews on Amazon, it's called the silverstorm rotary Silverstorm 129659 180 mm Sander Polisher, 1500 W https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0021L95WA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_wDZVxb0S7HFN4 , would you recommend this? I don't want to fork out for a flex 3401 just yet but that is on the bucket list for sometime this or next year [emoji846]


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[SKorch630]

A rotary has a fairly large learning curve. You can pick up a DA, with some youtube learning, and be ready to polish your paint in a matter of a day or so. My .02. Both take time behind the machine to get better, but I feel a DA is much more forgiving.

[suf420]

A rotary has a fairly large learning curve. You can pick up a DA, with some youtube learning, and be ready to polish your paint in a matter of a day or so. My .02. Both take time behind the machine to get better, but I feel a DA is much more forgiving.

Agreed, appreciate your input. However to achieve paint correction (swirl marks) isn't it better to go for a rotary?


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[Ebg18t]

Agreed, appreciate your input. However to achieve paint correction (swirl marks) it's better to go for a rotary?


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May I suggest looking at the Flex 3401 DA machines versus a rotary. There is a video from Mike in the link below.

Flex XC 3401, FLEX Orbital Polisher,flex XC 3401 VRG dual-action polisher,flex XC3401VRG,Dual Action polisher,FLEX buffer (http://www.autogeek.net/flex-orbital-polisher.html)

[suf420]

Certainly, seen it and love it to bits [emoji5]


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