Wax aplication on 40ft boat, 10in bonnet's? or use foam pads?

[Strip Poker 388]

Ive been buffing and polishing for 2 1/2 weeks now. The last polishing was with the 3m ultra fina That step Ive been doing in the dark with the light reflecting the see swirl marks. So now Ive started waxing it, I got spaghetti arms already,,, lol I just got in some lq pinnacle wax to try, So Ive been using a 10" orbital buffer w/ thick microfiber bonnet. they have gotten old and need replacing or something new, I cant find the higher quality/thicker microfiber bonnets, ive been using it to put the liquid wax on and then taking off by hand, do you all know of a high quality bonnet or another way to apply the wax? I saw the micro bonnets here they didnt look any better than the cheap import stuff at auto stores.


I got all the 3m perfect it pads, thought about the blue pad thats for the ultra fina, but its the Makita 9227 that spins pretty fast,1400rpm?

Ive also got the griots 3in orbital polisher with all kinds of foam pads that i use on small stuff or around the outdrives, tight areas etc.

This is paint w/ clear coat so its not like most boat that are gel coat,the reason I put it in this section and not in the boat section.

What you all input,suggestions?

Thanks for any help

Rob:cool:



dark pick from warehouse and other 2 from last the car show,so its paint
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[CarolinasFinestDetailing]

Bro...look into Optimum Opti Seal, CarPro Reload, or CarPro Hydr02. You`ll thank me later.

[Jay's 128i]

CarPro Hydr02 FOR SURE!!!!! CarolinasFinestDetailing is correct on this one!!!!!

[Whitewater25]

Ive been buffing and polishing for 2 1/2 weeks now. The last polishing was with the 3m ultra fina That step Ive been doing in the dark with the light reflecting the see swirl marks. So now Ive started waxing it, I got spaghetti arms already,,, lol I just got in some lq pinnacle wax to try, So Ive been using a 10" orbital buffer w/ thick microfiber bonnet. they have gotten old and need replacing or something new, I cant find the higher quality/thicker microfiber bonnets, ive been using it to put the liquid wax on and then taking off by hand, do you all know of a high quality bonnet or another way to apply the wax? I saw the micro bonnets here they didnt look any better than the cheap import stuff at auto stores.


I got all the 3m perfect it pads, thought about the blue pad thats for the ultra fina, but its the Makita 9227 that spins pretty fast,1400rpm?

Ive also got the griots 3in orbital polisher with all kinds of foam pads that i use on small stuff or around the outdrives, tight areas etc.

This is paint w/ clear coat so its not like most boat that are gel coat,the reason I put it in this section and not in the boat section.

What you all input,suggestions?

Thanks for any help

Rob:cool:



dark pick from warehouse and other 2 from last the car show,so its paint
495964959749598


4959949600
What kind of paint, auto or marine? It makes a difference

[Strip Poker 388]

Bro...look into Optimum Opti Seal, CarPro Reload, or CarPro Hydr02. You`ll thank me later.


Whats the diff in the Optimum Opti Seal clear resin layer vs Klasse High Gloss Sealant Glaze, klasse SG sealant, klasse sealant glase,klasse sealant (http://www.autogeek.net/klashiggloss.html) I tried the Klasse and did not like the Klasse Sealant Glaze acrylic coat. it left a greasy/silicone type film, I tried rubbing it out. I need do somemore research on it, Thanks

I got some Pinnacle Liquid Souveran Car Wax, going try it somemore tonight on the deck


Rob

these look thicker, but out of stock
AutoRight 9 or 10 Inch Microfiber Bonnet | AutoRight (http://www.auto-right.com/products/autoright-9-or-10-inch-microfiber-bonnet)

[Mike Phillips]

I wouldn't use a cloth bonnet to apply a finsihng wax. The bonnet will soak up a lot of product and doesn't work as well as a foam pad on a DA.

If you use the 3M convaluted foam pad on a rotary my guess is you'll leave shallow holograms. That's the nature of rotary buffers but it's also very possible you won't see them... at least till the wax starts to wear off.

I use the Griot's 3" mini polisher as a mini waxer all the time but the largest pad you can use is about 4" and that would take forever on a boat this size.

The best way would be using a tool you don't own, any of these would work and I actually show them for this purpose in my boat detailing book.

FLEX 3401 with soft foam pad
Porter Cable 7424XP with a soft foam pad
RUPES BigFoot 21 with a soft foam pad

Out of the options you shared I'd probably opt for the rotary with super soft pad. INstead of using the 3M pad maybe get a gold jeweling pad from Autogeek and use it.



7.5"
CCS 7.5 foam pads, lake country 7.5 inch pads, 7 inch ccs foam pads, ccs pads by lake country, lake country mfg, lake country manufacturing (http://www.autogeek.net/lc-ccs-7inch-pads.html)

8.5"
CCS 8.5 inch Foam Pads, Lake Country 8.5 inch ccs pads, lake country ccs foam pads, rotary ccs foam pads, ccs polishing pads (http://www.autogeek.net/lc-ccs-8inch-pads.html)


This style,


http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/autogeek/gold-ccs-large.jpgGold Super Soft Jewelling Foam 8.5"– Use the gold pad to apply a very fine polish or glaze as the final step of the polishing process. Jewelling is the term coined for this step because it intensifies gloss and reflectivity, like a jewel. The gold foam pad also works well for wax and sealant application. http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/autogeek/pspacer.gif



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[Strip Poker 388]

Its just like any showcar paint job, spies hecker polyurethane base coat and their high solids clear.

Ive never heard of a marine paint,maybe enamels, the regular boat company's use just a gel coat, the others w/ custom paint jobs use automotive, mostly polyurethanes back when i had mine painted

Thanks
Rob


Painted 2009
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[Strip Poker 388]

I wouldn't use a cloth bonnet to apply a finsihng wax. The bonnet will soak up a lot of product and doesn't work as well as a foam pad on a DA.

If you use the 3M convaluted foam pad on a rotary my guess is you'll leave shallow holograms. That's the nature of rotary buffers but it's also very possible you won't see them... at least till the wax starts to wear off.

I use the Griot's 3" mini polisher as a mini waxer all the time but the largest pad you can use is about 4" and that would take forever on a boat this size.

The best way would be using a tool you don't own, any of these would work and I actually show them for this purpose in my boat detailing book.

FLEX 3401 with soft foam pad
Porter Cable 7424XP with a soft foam pad
RUPES BigFoot 21 with a soft foam pad

Out of the options you shared I'd probably opt for the rotary with super soft pad. INstead of using the 3M pad maybe get a gold jeweling pad from Autogeek and use it.



7.5"
CCS 7.5 foam pads, lake country 7.5 inch pads, 7 inch ccs foam pads, ccs pads by lake country, lake country mfg, lake country manufacturing (http://www.autogeek.net/lc-ccs-7inch-pads.html)

8.5"
CCS 8.5 inch Foam Pads, Lake Country 8.5 inch ccs pads, lake country ccs foam pads, rotary ccs foam pads, ccs polishing pads (http://www.autogeek.net/lc-ccs-8inch-pads.html)


This style,


http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/autogeek/gold-ccs-large.jpgGold Super Soft Jewelling Foam 8.5"– Use the gold pad to apply a very fine polish or glaze as the final step of the polishing process. Jewelling is the term coined for this step because it intensifies gloss and reflectivity, like a jewel. The gold foam pad also works well for wax and sealant application. http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/autogeek/pspacer.gif



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guess they dont make a foam pad for my 10in Orbital polishers,

Yea prob not going put wax on with the 3m pad on makitia

The gariots 3in prob want be that bad putting wax on,i got the time

I prob need ck into the Orbital w/ the foam pad you recommended,ive got a bunch of stuff I polish on pretty regular:pc7424: hell I prob already spent 3-400 in the 3m stuff just restocking

I use the old 3m foam and wool pads to polish big alum stuff sometimes

Thanks
Rob

[Mike Phillips]

guess they dont make a foam pad for my 10in Orbital polishers,



I'm guessing you're talking about one of these?



TOB = Traditional Orbital Buffer aka The Wax Spreader (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/22196-tob-traditional-orbital-buffer-aka-wax-spreader.html)

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/794/WaxSpreader02.jpg







guess they dont make a foam pad for my 10in Orbital polishers,



The answer to your question is "no". This is because these old school buffer are designed to stretch a bonnet over a foam backing pad that is permanently attached to the buffer.

In order to use it with a foam pad you would have to attach some VELCRO to the foam backing pad so modern foam pads could "attach".

I've seen guys to this by the way and somewhere on this forum is a thread where a forum member shared how he converted his old school TOB to use modern foam pads. Of course it was still only good for spreading out a coat of wax, not any type of compounding or polishing as they are too slow and wimpy for this type of work on modern clearcoats.





I prob need ck into the Orbital w/ the foam pad you recommended,ive got a bunch of stuff I polish on pretty regular

hell I prob already spent 3-400 in the 3m stuff just restocking




Two suggestions... If you're going to be detailing cars and boats for the long run, (like me, been doing this since I was a kid), then to compliment the rotary buffer you already own get one of these,

Porter Cable 7424XP (http://www.autogeek.net/porter-cable-7424xp.html) or Griot's Garage 6" (http://www.autogeek.net/griots-hd-polisher.html) dual action polishers.

Most people go for the Griot's as it has more power and a better warranty than the PC. With one of these tools you can,

Machine sand - I show this in my boat detailing book
Machine compound
Machine polish
Machine wax
Machine scrub tires, carpet, upholstery,

NOTE: If you like, I have articles, videos and pictures showing these tools doing all these things.



Or go full out and get the FLEX 3401 (http://www.autogeek.net/flex-orbital-polisher.html) - here's my quote....

"With the FLEX 3401 you can power through any detail job"

That means since this is a gear-driven orbital polisher the pad simply will not stall out like it will on ALL the free spinning orbital polishers on the market. This means you can knock a project out faster than any other tool without burning the paint or leaving holograms.

And of course, you can machine wax with the FLEX 3401

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[Strip Poker 388]

I'm guessing you're talking about one of these?



TOB = Traditional Orbital Buffer aka The Wax Spreader (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/hot-topics-frequently-asked-questions/22196-tob-traditional-orbital-buffer-aka-wax-spreader.html)

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/data/794/WaxSpreader02.jpg






The answer to your question is "no". This is because these old school buffer are designed to stretch a bonnet over a foam backing pad that is permanently attached to the buffer.

In order to use it with a foam pad you would have to attach some VELCRO to the foam backing pad so modern foam pads could "attach".

I've seen guys to this by the way and somewhere on this forum is a thread where a forum member shared how he converted his old school TOB to use modern foam pads. Of course it was still only good for spreading out a coat of wax, not any type of compounding or polishing as they are too slow and wimpy for this type of work on modern clearcoats.





Two suggestions... If you're going to be detailing cars and boats for the long run, (like me, been doing this since I was a kid), then to compliment the rotary buffer you already own get one of these,

Porter Cable 7424XP (http://www.autogeek.net/porter-cable-7424xp.html) or Griot's Garage 6" (http://www.autogeek.net/griots-hd-polisher.html) dual action polishers.

Most people go for the Griot's as it has more power and a better warranty than the PC. With one of these tools you can,

Machine sand - I show this in my boat detailing book
Machine compound
Machine polish
Machine wax
Machine scrub tires, carpet, upholstery,

NOTE: If you like, I have articles, videos and pictures showing these tools doing all these things.



Or go full out and get the FLEX 3401 (http://www.autogeek.net/flex-orbital-polisher.html) - here's my quote....

"With the FLEX 3401 you can power through any detail job"

That means since this is a gear-driven orbital polisher the pad simply will not stall out like it will on ALL the free spinning orbital polishers on the market. This means you can knock a project out faster than any other tool without burning the paint or leaving holograms.

And of course, you can machine wax with the FLEX 3401

Pictures & Comments: July 2015 Detailing Boot Camp Class! (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/pictures-detailing-boot-camp-classes/93574-pictures-comments-july-2015-detailing-boot-camp-class.html)


:)




Mike thanks for the info, IS there any/much difference in the Griots 6in compared to the 3 inch I already have? or just larger pad making it apply faster?

is the action the same in the 2?

Is the action in the Flex alot better than the Griots?

Thanks
Rob

[Mike Phillips]

Mike thanks for the info, IS there any/much difference in the Griots 6in compared to the 3 inch I already have? or just larger pad making it apply faster?



HUGE DIFFERENCE

The 6" has some freakin power. You can do heavy correction with the 6" Griot's. The 3" I mostly use for machine sanding with 3" discs or machine waxing. My guess is you would love the 6" in your tool collection.





is the action the same in the 3?



Yes. Both are 8mm orbital polishers (to my knowledge). I guess it's possible the 3" is a shorter stroke?





Is the action in the Flex alot better than the Griots?



Now you're comparing applies to oranges.

It's BETTER if you want to detailer FASTER and avoid holograms.

The FLEX 3401 is GEAR DRIVEN orbital

The Griot's 6" is FREE SPINNING oribital





Thanks
Rob



This forum is here to do things like this... share info...


:)

[Strip Poker 388]

Im leaning towards the Flex,. use it for putting wax on and maybe for what you call jeweling

Ive been using the 3M Perfect-It™ EX Ultrafine Machine Polish w/ their blue pad, turning it slow, It gets the stuff i think you call the halogram.the stuff you have to look at in the reflection of a light,this is what 3m says it gets out, the 3m stuff is not a filler and ya dont buff it dry,

If your familiar with it? do you recommenced something after the Ultrafina/ultrafine before waxing

also on the flex, which pads you recommend for the wax and in between? or buy the flex in a kit w/ some pads etc/

I would think on the size boat prob need 2 waxing pads as they prob load up etc

Do you have a video w/ sound of the flex running?

thanks
rob

[Mike Phillips]

Im leaning towards the Flex,. use it for putting wax on and maybe for what you call jeweling

Ive been using the 3M Perfect-It™ EX Ultrafine Machine Polish w/ their blue pad, turning it slow, It gets the stuff i think you call the hologram.the stuff you have to look at in the reflection of a light,this is what 3m says it gets out, the 3m stuff is not a filler and ya dont buff it dry,

If your familiar with it? do you recommenced something after the Ultrafina/ultrafine before waxing

also on the flex, which pads you recommend for the wax and in between? or buy the flex in a kit w/ some pads etc/

I would think on the size boat prob need 2 waxing pads as they prob load up etc

Do you have a video w/ sound of the flex running?

thanks
rob


Hi Rob,

Holograms will always be an issue and a risk if you try to finish out everything using only a rotary buffer.

If you detail cars for money then I believe you will love the FLEX 3401. It's a WORKHORSE. I can buff out pretty much anything faster with a FLEX 3401 and have dozens of articles on this forum documenting this.


Everything 3M makes is for a rotary buffer. They make nothing for dual action polishers. I think the Ultrafine will work with orbitals but the true test in on black paint and then chemically strip the paint to make sure the abrasive technology isn't leaving micro-marring.


As for pads for the FLEX 3401 - In my FLEX 3401 book I strongly recommend Lake Country Hybrid pads and I still recommend these pads today for this tool. For machine waxing a boat get get the black Hybrid finishing pads. If you did all the correction and polishing work before machine waxing then if you apply a non-cleaning wax/sealant the pad shouldn't load up. It could for very large boats to to be safe get a couple of pads.


Here's a video that will let you see and hear the FLEX 3401



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn_kVH3BVc


:)

[Strip Poker 388]

On the FLEX 3401,which pad do I need for doing the same thing the 3m ultrafime pad woulld do? and what product

Also what pad and product would you use inbetween the above and waxing?

What pad for putting on liquid wax?

I see Lake Country 3 diff kinds of pads.I assume its a 6 1/2? Lake Country Hybrid Power Finish 6.5 Inch Pads 6 Pack (http://www.autogeek.net/lake-country-hybrid-pads-6pk.html)
or??? FLEX XC3401 VRG HD Orbital Polisher Intro Kit - Choose Your Pads! FREE SHIPPING (http://www.autogeek.net/flex-polisher-kit-bag-hd.html)

Thanks for all the help

Rob

Boat has spies hecker polyurethane base coat clear coat paint

[Mike Phillips]

On the FLEX 3401,which pad do I need for doing the same thing the 3m ultrafime pad woulld do? and what product




This one...

6.5 Inch Hybrid Power Finish Black Pad (Single) (http://www.autogeek.net/lc-hyb-7165b.html)






Also what pad and product would you use inbetween the above and waxing?




If you mean what pad would be best for "polishing" as in NOT compounding or NOT waxing but the in-between step of polishing then this pad,

6.5 Inch Hybrid Power Finish White Pad (Single) (http://www.autogeek.net/lc-hyb-6165w.html)






What pad for putting on liquid wax?




This one,

6.5 Inch Hybrid Power Finish Red Pad (Single) (http://www.autogeek.net/lc-hyb-1165.html)






I see Lake Country 3 diff kinds of pads. I assume its a 6 1/2?

Lake Country Hybrid Power Finish 6.5 Inch Pads 6 Pack (http://www.autogeek.net/lake-country-hybrid-pads-6pk.html)

or???

FLEX XC3401 VRG HD Orbital Polisher Intro Kit - Choose Your Pads! FREE SHIPPING (http://www.autogeek.net/flex-polisher-kit-bag-hd.html)




Well here's what I wrote previsouly....




As for pads for the FLEX 3401 - In my FLEX 3401 book I strongly recommend Lake Country Hybrid pads and I still recommend these pads today for this tool. For machine waxing a boat get get the black Hybrid finishing pads. If you did all the correction and polishing work before machine waxing then if you apply a non-cleaning wax/sealant the pad shouldn't load up. It could for very large boats to to be safe get a couple of pads.




Paperback
Mike Phillips' How to use the Flex XC3401 VRG Dual Action Orbital Polisher Paperback Book (http://www.autogeek.net/flex-polisher-book.html)

ebook
Mike Phillips' How to use the Flex XC3401 VRG Dual Action Orbital Polisher E-book - Download (http://www.autogeek.net/mike-phillips-flex-book.html)






Boat has spies hecker polyurethane base coat clear coat paint




As does this car we polished for our TV show

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