Will there be....

[Klasse Act]

....a car on the show that needs paint correction? In particular, a really bad car? I ask because people who aren't on this forum ask me about this and I don't know what to say. We've seen many cars on the forum get an overhaul and its impressive, having the average Joe out there see this would really bring people in here and that's a key goal with this show for sure.

Also is there going to be a season #2?

[Jaretr1]

Based on the very limited before shots, all of the cars needed paint correction, despite the fact they were show cars. But I get your point completely. Its a show about detailing and it seems the detailing part is not the most highlighted part of the show. So much of the limited show time is wasted on segments that add absolutely nothing to the show, while taking away from showing the detailing process, which is what the show is about.

no doubt, they are working on some amazing cars on this show, but I think there is also the potential of "helping" the average guy with a cool car get it prepped for showing, similar to what Mike already often does for thursday night projects, or cars for the detailing classes.

If there is going to be a season 2, I personally can only hope the show is more about detailing, less fluff, more substance, and if they need characters, just keep the cameras on the guys, they surely will provide entertainment.

[Klasse Act]

Well said and very fair IMO.

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[Joe@NextLevelDetail]

This was the 40 ford we did, Last episode.

It also had holograms in the paint, all cars needed polishing.

They might look good from a far, but under the lights in such prestigious car shows, they needed to be taken to (pun intended) the Next Level!

The cars do look the same after, from a far, but up close , there is a major difference. In defect removal not necessarily just gloss.

In the last episode for detail fest the guys got a 1963 corvette and it was hammered.

The 1973 trans am me and my team worked on , has wash and detail spray scratches, however that paint was rock hard and a real challenge to polish out.

I get your view, but you also have to understand the car shows these cars are entering are the most prestigious in the world, so naturally the cars arent going to be beaten like a daily driver.

I do seem to remeber the bentley or rolls royce a few episodes ago, was hammered.

[Setec Astronomy]

having the average Joe out there see this would really bring people in here and that's a key goal with this show for sure.

I'm as disappointed as anyone that the show isn't as much about "detailing" as we thought it would be. But I have to disagree, I think the show has hit its "key goal" as a marketing, advertising, and tax writeoff vehicle.

[JeffM]

If the show was really about detailing we all would be saying its boring listening to mike explain his process in every episode.

A garage find resto would be cool though, but do we want to watch anyone rub #7 on a car 2 or 3 times.....

[Klasse Act]

If the show was really about detailing we all would be saying its boring listening to mike explain his process in every episode.

A garage find resto would be cool though, but do we want to watch anyone rub #7 on a car 2 or 3 times.....


There should be atleast one episode where they "geek out", pardon the pun, LOL!

[Joe@NextLevelDetail]

Klasse, i know one way to hook you on the show, Turtle wax tire coating application 😎😅😅😅😅

[Klasse Act]

Klasse, i know one way to hook you on the show, Turtle wax tire coating application 😎😅😅😅😅
That's one way to possibly bring the product back 💡

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[Klasse Act]

Well there's some good info here, maybe the producers can take some of this input and make season #2 that much better. I didn't catch the one at the Peterson and I guess even museum cars need attention but for that place I would like to think they'd have an inhouse staff to take care of them, isn't Meg's in their backyard, just sayin'. I'm serious about axing some of the other shows to gain an extra 30 mins for Comp Ready, providing they mix in some more of the detailing. I know the product placement pays the bills and people watching the show are smart enough to see that and for the noobs out there they can pause the screen, write down the name of a product they're interested in and they order away from the Geek. That said, the concept is unique and God knows we all wanna see a different type of car show on the channel, really sick and tired of the restoration shows, we only need 1 or 2 of them.....IS ANYONE LISTENING????

[Mike Phillips]

Hey Klasse Act...

I just want to say thank you for this post and for asking questions.

Below I'm going to dissect your post and do my best to answer all your questions not so much for you specifically but because my guess is the questions you're asking are also questions other people are thinking so by answering your questions I'm answering everyone's questions.






Well there's some good info here, maybe the producers can take some of this input and make season #2 that much better.



Just to assure you, the posts in this forum group are being read by the people behind the scenes. Take my word for it... the comments posted here are read. You're not going to see the Producer or the Director join the forum and answer questions. Not sure if anyone was actually expecting that so just saying...





I didn't catch the one at the Peterson and I guess even museum cars need attention



I've posted this before but here goes again...

First - Anyone that knows my work knows I'm REALLY GOOD at capturing the before condition of cars just to make sure everyone knows the work I do or the work I'm involved with is the real deal. There's always these Facebook and YouTube "EXPERTS" that think they know everything by watching a video or looking at a picture and this just shows me how much they actually know.

Second - Although I'm good at capturing the before shots for this first season I'm not really allowed to be the photographer. So I don't have the freedom to pull out my trusty dusty Canon and capture all the before shot for the time when someone makes the comment,


The cars already look good, how about working on something that actually needs work?

Really?


EVERY car we worked on needed paint correction. The majority of the cars had holograms. The Troy Ladd car had holograms. The Derek Samson car had holograms. The Kyle Tucker Chevelle had HORRIBLE holograms, etc. Again, I was not on the set to be the photographer and from my long time experience most people don't know what swirls are let along how to capture them with their camera. Every TV production company I've worked with I have had to teach the camera crew what swirls are and how to capture them with their video cameras or still cameras. My guess is because most of the car guy shows are about BUILDING cars not detailing cars.


Holograms in the Chevelle - but no pictures or video
For example the first episode was the SEMA episode where we worked on Kyle Tucker's black Chevelle. In that episode I was standing on the driver's side of the car and the cameraman was on the passenger side of the car. The sun was at my back lighting up the driver's side of the Chevelle. Anyone and everyone could see the holograms in the paint when the car was backed out of the car hauler. The cameraman was shooting into the sun and as such - there was nothing to capture.


In this screenshot the sun is at my back... but where is the camera guy standing?

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/watermark.php?file=106361



Here I've placed a circle around the sun

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/watermark.php?file=106362


Me standing on the driver's side...

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/watermark.php?file=106363


See how the shade is falling?

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/watermark.php?file=106364


From this screen grab - where is the cameraman standing?

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/watermark.php?file=106365


Now follow me.... this was the FIRST episode. This was the FIRST time I worked with anyone on this crew. There's a natural learning curve anytime you do something new. I'm not new to capturing defects in paint to show the BEFORE condition to the audience. But this was new territory for our camera crew and team.

The good news is about 4 hours into shooting this episode we had a chance to capture the holograms using the swirl finder light and this is also the first time (I think), that the film crew had ever seen a Swirl Finder Light and what it can do to light the paint on a car.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/watermark.php?file=106366

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/watermark.php?file=106367


And here you can see the camera guys captured the before shot. Again, this was the first time we had ever worked together and the first time in this episode where as a team we were all learning to work together or gel.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/watermark.php?file=106368




Swirls in the 1933 Rolls Royce

Now fast forward to the 1933 Rolls Royce. This would be the 7th episode. By now I've gingerly worked with the camera crew as well as the Director to share with them the money shot, that is the swirl shot. In the Amelia Island episode, (episode 7), the camera guys easily capture the swirls in the paint. This is the result of the learning process.


Competition Ready Episode 7 - Amelia Island Concours d'Elegance - Doc's 1933 Rolls Royce Phantom II (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/competition-ready-velocity-channel/101970-competition-ready-episode-7-amelia-island-concours-delegance-docs-1933-rolls-royce-phantom-ii.html)


http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/watermark.php?file=105827


The paint also needed to be clayed... another money shot or before shot.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/gallery/watermark.php?file=105833





Swirls in the Round Door Rolls Royce

As for the Round Door Rolls Royce and the other three cars at the Petersen Museum. First there was a media black out for all pictures until the grand opening. There were security guards everywhere and if you took your phone out or a camera and started taking pictures they would stop you. Besides that we were instructed by the Producer to NOT take pictures as a professional courtesy to the Petersen Museum at their requests.

I did break the rules a little mostly because I knew there would be naysayers as this isn't my first rodeo. Take my word for it or don't but all of the paint on the Round Door Rolls looked like what I captured on the front splash apron portion of the front fenders.


http://www.marine31online.com/gallery/data/552/1925_Rolls_Royce_Round_Door_001.jpg

http://www.marine31online.com/gallery/data/552/1925_Rolls_Royce_Round_Door_002.jpg







but for that place I would like to think they'd have an in-house staff to take care of them, isn't Meg's in their backyard, just saying'.



The idea you present is simple but it's not really that simple.

First - we here in the forum world all understand paint correction and the TIME it takes to do it right. We also WANT to get PAID what we're worth. In fact, I would say the biggest problem most detailers have especially when they are first starting out is getting top dollar for their work and I mean LABOR.

Doing a full correction, polishing and waxing on a car the size of the 1925 Round Door Rolls Royce with all of its real-estate and all of the louvers on the back would take one guy at least 3 days if he works like me and that's fast and furious with minimal breaks.

Look at the size of this beast! Also note how nice it looks AFTER we de-swirled it.

http://www.marine31online.com/gallery/data/552/1925_Rolls_Royce_Round_Door_005.jpg



Look at all the louvers on the back of this beast. Andy Wong rubbed each one of these out by hand. That was his full time job on this episode. (Thanks Andy) These louvers were just as swirled and scratches as the rest of the paint.

http://www.marine31online.com/gallery/data/552/1925_Rolls_Royce_Round_Door_008.jpg


NOTE: I did take the above two pictures but this was AFTER the Museum opened and the ban on taking pictures was lifted.



I don't know what other guys charge for their work but I charge between $100.00 to $150.00 per hour depending on the customer. Lets say I worked 10 hours a day for 3 days on the Rolls at the entry level price. That would be $3000.00 for just one car. I can guarantee you the Petersen Museum doesn't budget this kind of money to have their cars detailed. From what I know they basically have people that wipe the cars down with spray detailers and that's about it.

Our industry, this would include museums, doesn't pay big bucks for fully trained professional detailers. Dealerships don't do it either. They have people that are willing to work for minimum wage and from my experience don't have any REAL training like I offer, or Renny Doyle offers or Ed Terwilliger offers.

So your idea about places like the Petersen Museum having an in-house detailer that actually knows what they are doing and also has the best tools, pads and products just doesn't happen.

I worked for Meguiar's. Meguiar's does send their staff to places to detail cars for projects where both party's benefit but Meguiar's doesn't send any staff to places like the Petersen Museum to basically be their in-house detailer. They wouldn't make any money doing this and like all businesses, Meguiar's in in business to make money.






I'm serious about axing some of the other shows to gain an extra 30 minutes for Comp Ready, providing they mix in some more of the detailing.



I can assure you and everyone that has made a similar comment that your comments about wanting to see more information about the actual process, the products and the tools has been seen.






I know the product placement pays the bills and people watching the show are smart enough to see that and for the Newbies out there they can pause the screen, write down the name of a product they're interested in and they order away from the Geek.



Thank you for stating that. I can tell you understand how the real world works.






That said, the concept is unique and God knows we all wanna see a different type of car show on the channel, really sick and tired of the restoration shows, we only need 1 or 2 of them.....



Yeah I agree. The majority of the car guy TV shows are about fixing up cars. Mostly classics. Either restoring them or hotrodding them. I don't ever see any TV shows about "new cars".





IS ANYONE LISTENING????




Again... the people behind the scenes that you want to see your feedback are seeing it.

For what it's worth... I'm the only guy I know of in the TV world that also hangs out on a forum and is accessible to "talk to". Not saying that's a good thing or a bad thing or a big deal. My background is detailing cars, teaching detailing classes and sharing how to detail cars on discussion forums so it comes natural and it's part of my job.

When is the last time you saw Chip Foose answering questions on a forum? When's the last time you saw Chris Jacobs or Dave Kindig, or Ed China explaining how they did a process on a forum?

So I'm in your corner, not just you Klasse Act but every detailer out there. Be they on our forum or not...


:)

[Klasse Act]

Thanks Mike and I'm sure all those cars needed paint correction but maybe just maybe some "regular Joes" mixed in for season #2.

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[Setec Astronomy]

Thanks Mike and I'm sure all those cars needed paint correction but maybe just maybe some "regular Joes" mixed in for season #2.

I don't know how realistic that is--I mean do the car magazines test and write about the stripper versions of the cars they test? No, they generally test the most fire-breathing, performance oriented version, because that's what dreams are made of. By the same token I don't think anybody (except us 'Geeks) really wants to see a trashed minivan being detailed, they want to see showcars, right?

[Paul A.]

Bingo, Setec! I think the masses are drawn to the subject cars and not as much the work on them as much as we'd like to think. Sure they enjoy seeing the professional skill detailing them but it's about ratings etc. How many of us walk away from the open fridge when they roll a more "run of the mill" Mustang onto the Mecam or Barret-Jackson stand? We are (proudly) the small subset of the audience who truly understands and admires the skill of the professionals doing the work and want to see more technique and methods. More details...specifics and whys. The larger audience is drawn to the car and its transformation into what they dream about.

And continuing to find and work on those dream cars may insure a Season 2.

[Klasse Act]

Maybe I shouId've been more clear when I said "regular Joes". For instance maybe a retired guy with a muscle car that goes to cruise nights and his car is a mess and just can't physically get around anymore, the team helps out, maybe he's a vet with a Vet 👈

Don't think anyone thought I was thinking about a mini van....wait, maybe Bisimoto Honda would be a good one to do, look into that one Mike.

There's so much untapped market out there in the world of detailing, I see it at every show and I call it " Amateur hour".

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