Usage Question - Klasse AIO (All in One) and High Gloss Sealant Glaze

[natekoss]

The following inquiry pertains to Autogeek items KL-10 and KL-02. Both products are currently listed for sale on Autogeek.net - I believe I am in compliance with the forum TOS in posting an inquiry pertaining to these products as they are actively sold at the present time. Given no separate product specific area has been established for Klasse brand products based on my review of the top of the forum, I am posting this inquiry here as the most relevant category. I apologize for any misclassification or misunderstanding pertaining to the location this was posted. If there is an issue, please just let me know privately and I will be happy to address the problem - no need to assault me for being unfamiliar with the rules and practices of this forum...a simple note is all that's required to address whatever concern you have. I appreciate your understanding in this matter.

I have not come across much in the way of specifics pertaining to the usage of Klasse products after initial application. The instructions provided with my Autogeek.net purchase are relevant to the initial application, but I'm a bit confused as to the correct procedure for applying these products again now that the winter season has concluded -

1) Is it necessary to remove the product entirely before applying a new application?
2) If removal is necessary, how is this accomplished exactly? This product holds on with incredible tenacity, so I'm not sure cleaner wax is going to work here....
3) If removal is NOT necessary, would this be applied in the same manner as an initial application (e.g. AIO over the current layer + glaze)?

Thanks in advance!

[Setec Astronomy]

First, welcome to the forum! Second, you must have experienced some pretty unfriendly forums because I can see you came here with your flamesuit and your Nomex underwear. Relax, we're pretty friendly here, nobody gets flamed for posting in the wrong forum or asking a question that's been asked.

If you've got good base of SG on your car, then just do a good wash and apply some more. You'll probably want to use a wash that doesn't leave much behind, or try something like this for a wipedown after wash: Sonus Acrylic Spritz Quick Detail Spray, quick detailer, instant detailer, acrylic detail spray (http://www.autogeek.net/sonus-acrylic-detail-spray.html)

If it's been a long time since your last coat of SG, you probably should start with AIO again. Anyway, the answer to your question is, no, you don't have to remove the previous product in order to apply more, the most you would have to do is use the AIO again (which will remove at least some of the existing product depending on how many layers you have applied). The main thing is how much contamination has built up on the surface since your last SG application; if the answer is none to not much, just top it, if the answer is some to a lot, probably better to AIO first.

Boy, that started out as a simple answer and then I made it all complicated. Better head to the coffee pot.

[natekoss]

Thanks much - I was hoping I didn't have to try to strip the old coat off entirely...this stuff really does do what it claims, but god help you if you would ever need to get it off the paint. It's been about 5 months since the last glaze coat, so I'll wash and then test out the paint contam w/ the clay bar. If I don't pick up much in in the usual issue areas, I'll drop on another coat of AIO and glaze and top over that into the summer w/ quick detailer touchups between treatments.

[Setec Astronomy]

If you're going to clay it and it otherwise seems ok, you can probably skip the AIO and go right to the SG, as long as you can get the clay lube off. That is, if you still think the product is there and performing (good beading, etc.).

[FASTFRED]

Love the Klasse twins and their durability.

[Rsurfer]

The following inquiry pertains to Autogeek items KL-10 and KL-02. Both products are currently listed for sale on Autogeek.net - I believe I am in compliance with the forum TOS in posting an inquiry pertaining to these products as they are actively sold at the present time. Given no separate product specific area has been established for Klasse brand products based on my review of the top of the forum, I am posting this inquiry here as the most relevant category. I apologize for any misclassification or misunderstanding pertaining to the location this was posted. If there is an issue, please just let me know privately and I will be happy to address the problem - no need to assault me for being unfamiliar with the rules and practices of this forum...a simple note is all that's required to address whatever concern you have. I appreciate your understanding in this matter.





Are you related to FUNX650?


Feed back please

[FUNX650]

The following inquiry pertains to Autogeek items KL-10 and KL-02. Both products are currently listed for sale on Autogeek.net - I believe I am in compliance with the forum TOS in posting an inquiry pertaining to these products as they are actively sold at the present time. Given no separate product specific area has been established for Klasse brand products based on my review of the top of the forum, I am posting this inquiry here as the most relevant category. I apologize for any misclassification or misunderstanding pertaining to the location this was posted. If there is an issue, please just let me know privately and I will be happy to address the problem - no need to assault me for being unfamiliar with the rules and practices of this forum...a simple note is all that's required to address whatever concern you have. I appreciate your understanding in this matter.


Are you related to FUNX650?Feed back please

My eyes are bleeding!


Bob

[Mike Phillips]

The following inquiry pertains to Autogeek items KL-10 and KL-02. Both products are currently listed for sale on Autogeek.net - I believe I am in compliance with the forum TOS in posting an inquiry pertaining to these products as they are actively sold at the present time. Given no separate product specific area has been established for Klasse brand products based on my review of the top of the forum, I am posting this inquiry here as the most relevant category. I apologize for any misclassification or misunderstanding pertaining to the location this was posted. If there is an issue, please just let me know privately and I will be happy to address the problem - no need to assault me for being unfamiliar with the rules and practices of this forum...a simple note is all that's required to address whatever concern you have. I appreciate your understanding in this matter.

I have not come across much in the way of specifics pertaining to the usage of Klasse products after initial application. The instructions provided with my Autogeek.net purchase are relevant to the initial application, but I'm a bit confused as to the correct procedure for applying these products again now that the winter season has concluded -



Well written post. Let me see if I can shed some light...





1) Is it necessary to remove the product entirely before applying a new application?



The exterior of your car gets a bonded stain called road film. See my article and look at the pictures here,

Road Film - If you drive your car in the rain your car has road film (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/ask-expert-featuring-mike-phillips/72159-road-film-if-you-drive-your-car-rain-your-car-has-road-film.html)



So if this car is a daily driver and you think you may have a build up of road film on the car then I'd recommend cleaning the paint surface before applying more SG or the SG will simply seal the road film onto the paint.






2) If removal is necessary, how is this accomplished exactly? This product holds on with incredible tenacity, so I'm not sure cleaner wax is going to work here....




I agree. If you applied a thin coat, and time has gone by, then it could be some or most of the SG has worn off naturally and re-applying the Klasse AIO will remove what's left. If you're inclined to make 100% sure then you'll want to machine polish using at a minimum a fine cut polish. You could try to do this by hand but from my experience most people don't have the skill, experience, stamina and tenacity to rub out an entire car "effectively" by hand.

Another option would be to not try to remove it 100% but just remove the road film using the Klasse AIO and the re-apply the SG.






3) If removal is NOT necessary, would this be applied in the same manner as an initial application (e.g. AIO over the current layer + glaze)?

Thanks in advance!



Yes. I think I answered this above.


A few years ago I wrote an article for how to use SG BUT I did not title it,

How to apply Klasse Sealant Glaze


I titled it with a much less innocuous title as the advice in the article truly does apply to any product you've never used but I had Klasse SG in mind when I wrote the article. Here you go...



A tip for working with waxes, paint sealants or coatings that are new to you (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/tricks-tips-techniques/37279-tip-working-waxes-paint-sealants-coatings-new-you.html)




:)

[Mike Phillips]

I apologize for any misclassification or misunderstanding pertaining to the location this was posted.

If there is an issue, please just let me know privately and I will be happy to address the problem - no need to assault me for being unfamiliar with the rules and practices of this forum... a simple note is all that's required to address whatever concern you have.


I appreciate your understanding in this matter.





I get the feeling you've posted to some normal forums before and received the usual demeaning replies or told to use the [Search] button?



We don't roll like other forums.


:)

[PaulMys]

Great advice as always, Mike.

Here's another question about Klasse AIO: Will a Cobra clay mitt used with ONR solution remove the AIO before a machine polish? (I have KAIO but not the SG on the truck, and plan on claying with the mitt, and machine polishing with HD speed to completely start over.)

[ScottB]

I would just add that the Sonus Acrylic Spray is a great way to boost any Klasse finish. I felt it added to the looks also ...

Sonus Acrylic Glanz Spray Sealant, Sonus paint sealant spray, spray paint sealant (http://www.autogeek.net/sonus-acrylic-glanz-sealant.html)

[bill110]

Great advice as always, Mike.

Here's another question about Klasse AIO: Will a Cobra clay mitt used with ONR solution remove the AIO before a machine polish? (I have KAIO but not the SG on the truck, and plan on claying with the mitt, and machine polishing with HD speed to completely start over.)

The HD speed should remove the KAIO. I applied the Klasse twins in late December to my daily driven Nissan Titan and just reapplied yesterday. Clay mitt for contaminates, (but I will say the "baggie test" did not reveal any where near the contaminates that I originally had, and only very minor swirls), Then then applied the KAIO with a blue Buff and shine pad, then followed with KSG. 2nd coat of KSG this morning. Truck looks amazing!

[PaulMys]

The HD speed should remove the KAIO. I applied the Klasse twins in late December to my daily driven Nissan Titan and just reapplied yesterday. Clay mitt for contaminates, (but I will say the "baggie test" did not reveal any where near the contaminates that I originally had, and only very minor swirls), Then then applied the KAIO with a blue Buff and shine pad, then followed with KSG. 2nd coat of KSG this morning. Truck looks amazing!
Thanks, Bill. I think I'll be good to go then. I did the KAIO last fall on my truck, and it impressed the hell out of me. Covered up about 90% of my fine swirls.

This year, I'm doing the whole truck with my new PC, the HD Speed I mentioned, then will applying KAIO topped w/ 845 again as it survived an entire NY winter with ease. Just awesome stuff IMO. :)

[natekoss]

Wow, thanks for all of these great replies. I was not receiving notifications of thread replies for some reason, so I apologize for the delay. I also apologize to FUNX650 to whom I don't believe I'm related. Hope the eyes have improved...


If it would ever stop raining and/or roasting in a full throttle solar inferno here in Southeastern PA for more than a few hours at a time, I would have had this finished by now. I live in an apartment building so the car has no cover in an open lot - I want to make sure I can get a 12 hr cure without applying on hot paint, so I've been waiting around for the right combination of conditions and timing. I lost my job around when I first posted this so I've got lots of free time!

[FUNX650]

I lost my job around when I first posted this
so I've got lots of free time!
So sorry to hear of your job loss...


Bob