P21s blue vs gray?

[gr8almty1]

Anyone know the difference between these 2 products? Gray lid is 20$ more but I can't see why


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[ronkh57]

One is their "regular" wax, the other is 100% carn

[gr8almty1]

So the blue lid isn't 100% carnauba but clearly has it in it. Any idea on % and what else is in it?


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[ViperGuy21]

I haven't used either myself, but I've heard the 100% is a bit of a PIA

[RaskyR1]

The blue is a little easier to remove and IMO when of the better looking nuba's out there.

[FUNX650]

So the blue lid isn't 100% carnauba
but clearly has it in it.

Any idea on % and
what else is in it?

"Ingredients"

•I have found out over the years that car-care
products manufacturers are hesitant to list all
of their products' ingredients and percentages
because they fear that others can then go and
try to reproduce their products.

•Yet...
-I'm sure there is a lot of "reverse engineering"
going on behind the scenes...even some that
have had successful results.
______________________________________________

•On occasion...P21S's Customer Service has
explained that in their opinion there are three
categories of ingredients in paste wax:
-"raw wax"
-an oil component
-a dissolving agent.

To note:
•An MSDS from the car-care industry won't tell
you everything that you are expecting to find.
All you are going to find are things like:
-Product Name
-If it contains Hydrocarbons
-Danger Class
-Use
-Appearance
-Boiling Point
-Specific Gravity
-Flashpoint
-Solubility in water
-Health Effects

•None of which will answer any
questions you are looking for.
-The rest is usually listed as being
"proprietary"; or not legally required
(as of yet).

With all that in mind:

SECTION 2: COMPOSITION/INFORMATION ON INGREDIENTS

•DESCRIPTION: This chemical product is a preparation
•COMMON NAME: Solvent-based paste wax
•Degree of Risk: R 53-65-66

•INGREDIENT:
Class per EU 67/548EEC % WTOSHA PEL ACGIH TLV S I R Esp.
-Hydrocarbons Xn; R 53-65-66 30-50% 500 100 1 2 0
*Are these hydrocarbons:ISOALKANES, C9-12
(Alkanes, C9-12-iso-)/(IsoparaffinGPA)

•NFPA HAZARD CLASSIFICATION
•HEALTH: 1 FLAMMABILITY: 2 REACTIVITY: 0
•OTHER: None

•EXTINGUISHING MEDIA: CO2, dry chemical, alcohol-resistant foam for larger fires.

•APPEARANCE: yellow, solid paste
•ODOR: slight wax odor
•PHYSICAL STATE: solid paste

•BOILING POINT:
C: above 240 degrees
F: above 464 degrees

•VAPOR PRESSURE: Unknown
•FLASHPOINT: above 100 degrees C, 210 degrees F

•AUTOIGNITION TEMPERATURE: Will not self-ignite

•SPECIFIC GRAVITY (H2O = 1): 0.87-0.88
@
C: 20 degrees
F: 68 degrees
•SOLUBILITY IN WATER: Not soluble
•VISCOSITY: solid paste

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"Percentages"

•The 100% Carnauba in the name refers
only to the "raw wax" content. (They like
to point-out that the carnauba used is pure,
#1 grade, Brazilian carnauba from the
copernica cerifera tree.

•Manufacturers have "colorful" ways of
measuring their Waxes percentages.
-It's not necessarily a total falsehood/(lie)
what they say it is—they gotta come up
with a measurement somehow—but it is
misleading—[maybe a little disingenuous(?)]

•Will they ever say:
-"No we don't mean 47% of the total content...
only the content that is Wax"; or:
-"We measure volume this way".

•Of course not!
-They let Consumers think what they think, and
the way they think, because the marketing works.

•Here's some more "wax percentage"
information from P21S Customer Service:

-"We do not divulge percentages of
ingredients in our products. It does contain
carnauba, enough to provide a contribution
to the superior performance of the product,
that our customers have experienced and
praised for years".

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Bob

[mbkite]

Bob u need a Caribbean vacation