Ammo Frothe vs CarPro ECH2O on Ceramic Coating

[bob m]

I have not used Frothe and it really does not peak my interest. But EcH20 is a solid choice. Its primary job is a waterless wash. But it is quite versatile in being used as a quick detailer and a rinseless wash. I have even used it with the 22ple clay bar as clay lube. You will enjoy it. Just note that it will take a few extra swipes to buff it off.

I was looking at Echo, but realized when perusing CarPro's site and saw Ultima's WW and realized I still had a full bottle left. I do like Ultima though and have using it - sparingly as a WW for a few years. But I wonder how it compares to Echo?

[Klasse Act]

I love ECHO as a RW but the ratio for WW can be tricky

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[bfielder32087]

I love ECHO as a RW but the ratio for WW can be tricky

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Seconded. Tricky is the right word. Or finicky. I also love it as a RW. Super slick and glossy.

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[Coatingsarecrack]

Ech20’s wipe off is annoying as i can’t find the prefect dilution as a waterless. Wipe off too streaky. I ‘ll put the effort in if i’m looking to clean a little and want some added gloss. Never tried as a rinseless. Not impressed with cleaning power.


I prefer Ammo Frothe because I feel it’s the safest, not the easiest, if your not going to do a bucket wash.

I find it easy just use alot of towels. If i don’t frothe plan B is a rinselss with Griots brilliant shine rinseless.

I look at Ech20 as a gloss enhancing product not a cleaning product. Frothe for cleaning


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[Klasse Act]

Honestly comparing these 2 are apples and oranges. Because of how tricky ECHO is as a WW I use it pretty much exclusively as a RW and never ever have an issue. In fact, when I do a RW with ECHO, i always wonder why I'm not using it more often. I started with DG RW and loved it (I'm sure it's still awesome), then Wolfgang Uber RW and again, blown away and finally ECHO

As far as ECHO the added work if buffing is no different than the finicky nature of ECHO as a WW because they both require a buff after the initial cleaning.

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[Klasse Act]

Thanks to this thread I washed the ES with ECH20 this afternoon...really satisfying

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[UncleDavy]

With a ceramic coated vehicle, you want to use something that will not clog the coating. I know a professional that uses Ammo Frothe on a regular basis but CarPro ECH2O is also a great choice. The dilutions for ECH2O can be tricky but here are the recommended ratios right from the CarPro website.

Quick Detailer - 1:15 ~ 1:25
Waterless Wash - 1:10~1:15
Clay Lube - 1:40
Rinseless Wash - 2 to 3 ounces per 3 gallons of water

[Klasse Act]

With a ceramic coated vehicle, you want to use something that will not clog the coating. I know a professional that uses Ammo Frothe on a regular basis but CarPro ECH2O is also a great choice. The dilutions for ECH2O can be tricky but here are the recommended ratios right from the CarPro website.

Quick Detailer - 1:15 ~ 1:25
Waterless Wash - 1:10~1:15
Clay Lube - 1:40
Rinseless Wash - 2 to 3 ounces per 3 gallons of water

I'm surprised a professional uses Frothe because it's not cost effective compared to N914 or Griot's Garage Brillant Finish RW. As you know, like Frothe, N914 and Griot's Garage Brillant Finish RW have ZERO gloss enhancers, just pure clean and you can see the clean

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[Desertnate]

I love ECHO as a RW but the ratio for WW can be tricky

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I've found 1:20 to be perfect for both QD and WW. Whether I'm putting down a heavy application of the product to float away pollen or dust or lightly spraying an area to remove water spots, I've found it work great with no streaking or smearing.

[TBrio]

Honestly comparing these 2 are apples and oranges. Because of how tricky ECHO is as a WW I use it pretty much exclusively as a RW and never ever have an issue. In fact, when I do a RW with ECHO, i always wonder why I'm not using it more often. I started with DG RW and loved it (I'm sure it's still awesome), then Wolfgang Uber RW and again, blown away and finally ECHO

As far as ECHO the added work if buffing is no different than the finicky nature of ECHO as a WW because they both require a buff after the initial cleaning.

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Thanks for your input! ECHO has been ordered and is on the way.

So my main reasons for wanting rinseless is because 1) it can rain here so often that I don't want to do a full wash each time and 2) I'm in a townhouse so I don't have much of a driveway.

If I can rinse off the car beforehand, would that be best? And then would I apply the rinseless product on the wet car, or wait for it to dry?