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    Re: Wet-Sanding - Fresh Paint vs Factory Paint

    Quote Originally Posted by Superdutytd View Post
    I need to get down to Florida for this class, its just hard to get to the VERY SE corner of the country from the VERY NW corner of the country.


    We might have a wetsanding project coming up in the future, if you're interested shoot me an e-mail and I'll add you to my notification list so you'll know way ahead of time in order to make your travel arrangements.


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    Re: Wetsanding - Fresh Paint vs Factory Paint

    ****Bump****


    Been a lot of questions lately on wetsanding cars with the factory paint on them...



    Just answered a Private Message for a guy that has apparently sanded or sanded and then buffed through the clear layer and exposed the basecoat.

    At this point, the only fix is to have the car or affected panels repainted.


    Please read through this article I wrote as I explain the differences between sanding factory paint and fresh paint.


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    Re: Wetsanding - Fresh Paint vs Factory Paint

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike.Phillips@Autogeek View Post
    ****Bump****


    Been a lot of questions lately on wetsanding cars with the factory paint on them...



    Just answered a Private Message for a guy that has apparently sanded or sanded and then buffed through the clear layer and exposed the basecoat.

    At this point, the only fix is to have the car or affected panels repainted.


    Please read through this article I wrote as I explain the differences between sanding factory paint and fresh paint.


    Self-education via reading...



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    Mike I am new to the site and have yet to buy the tools, I did buy your book. The Art of Detailing. I just have to say thank you! I also have to say I am glad that I am acoustomed to a few forums that I was patient enough to dig a bit to find this topic. I am planing a repaint of my motorcycle and want it to pop! Between this topic and the "Getting metal flake to pop" topic, I am learning what I need.
    I am pretty certain I have over hand overworked my bike over the years because the hand painted pin stripe on the tank has a spot where I can feel it lifting off.
    I can assure you that it will have at least 4 or 5 good coats of clear when done. If I had a way to send you a pic of the first bike I painted and wet sanded and buffed all by hand, would add it in. (I have never been good at posting any pic to any of my other forums)
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    Re: Wetsanding - Fresh Paint vs Factory Paint

    Quote Originally Posted by beamerstrumpet View Post

    Mike I am new to the site and have yet to buy the tools, I did buy your book. The Art of Detailing. I just have to say thank you!
    No, thank you Scott for your business...



    Quote Originally Posted by beamerstrumpet View Post

    I also have to say I am glad that I am accustomed to a few forums that I was patient enough to dig a bit to find this topic. I am planing a repaint of my motorcycle and want it to pop!

    Between this topic and the "Getting metal flake to pop" topic, I am learning what I need.

    This article,

    Making the Metallic Flake Pop! - Popping versus Muting


    Yeah... lots of confusion in the forum world on what it really takes to make it easy for the human eyes to see through the clear coat to the metallic or rather mylar flake embedded into the basecoat.

    It's really quite simple. It's not a specific "wax" or "sealant" or "coating". It's making the clear coat clear.


    Quote Originally Posted by beamerstrumpet View Post
    I am pretty certain I have over hand overworked my bike over the years because the hand painted pin stripe on the tank has a spot where I can feel it lifting off.

    I can assure you that it will have at least 4 or 5 good coats of clear when done. If I had a way to send you a pic of the first bike I painted and wet sanded and buffed all by hand, would add it in.

    (I have never been good at posting any pic to any of my other forums)

    Scott.

    I write articles on how to get the pictures out of the memory stick and inserted into a thread like this...




    The car above is an example of having the graphics painted UNDER the clear and then you never have to hassle with lifting graphics or preventing or removing polish and wax residue from the edges of the graphics.

    In my opinion, it's the only way to go and worth any extra cost in a paint job.

    See all the pictures from the above project here...


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    Re: Wetsanding - Fresh Paint vs Factory Paint

    THanks Mike,

    Just to clearify, the paint was factory from Triumph. Handpainted pin stripe under Clear Coat. After 10 yrs, and no real knowledge of detail and "loving" on it, I felt the place where he finished his prush stroke. I have been very carefull of that now. I plan to keep that stripe when I repaint. Hope I do it right the first time or I will have to strip the whole thing and start from scratch.

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    Re: Wetsanding - Fresh Paint vs Factory Paint

    Nice to know about your suggestion.

    Brand new cars as you know company made. But the fresh paint at an workshop you know we handled it by our style and efforts so i prefer this one.

    I looks more beautiful than a new one.



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    Re: Wetsanding - Fresh Paint vs Factory Paint

    House of Kolor

    and they sand and buff in the end.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYB4Yxeq_M8]House Of Kolor - How To Paint A Car - John Kosmoski - YouTube[/video]

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    Re: Wetsanding - Fresh Paint vs Factory Paint

    Very good article Mike, lots of useful information for folks who want to learn wet-sanding.
    Those photos of You are very inspiring.

    I would like to add some information from my personal experience.
    The soft paint is easier to sand and buff, but also You must be more careful, the paint will react to heat a lot faster also after some time it may shrink and show some new defects that were not visible after buffing the paint which is fresh. That's just what I encountered during my not so many wet sand and buffs in early years

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    Re: Wetsanding - Fresh Paint vs Factory Paint

    Quote Originally Posted by AGPOL View Post

    Very good article Mike, lots of useful information for folks who want to learn wet-sanding.

    Those photos of You are very inspiring.
    Thank you sir.

    I see a lot of people in the Facebook and forum world that "talk" about wet sanding but I don't see any meaty article from them. Takes time to put your opinions and experience down on paper or in pixels and the let the world judge what you write.



    Quote Originally Posted by AGPOL View Post

    I would like to add some information from my personal experience.

    The soft paint is easier to sand and buff, but also You must be more careful, the paint will react to heat a lot faster also after some time it may shrink and show some new defects that were not visible after buffing the paint which is fresh.

    That's just what I encountered during my not so many wet sand and buffs in early years

    Thanks for sharing your insights...


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