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1. How do you "know" or "feel" that Optimum Spray wax is still working after the first wash. You are correct in that the beading falls off immediately, and slickness is gone also. Infact, I can name numerous QD'ers that actually offer the same feel, look, and appearance and really are not sold as a true spray wax. (we wont get into VOC regulations, and how a spray wax can differ from qd'er versus say a paste wax in relation to solvents so sometimes more is in a name versus bottle). I just dont get the "look" that you describe, it fails to add substantial gloss or reflection, and looks rather mundane IMO. What other subjective/quantatative manners do you use to gauge the product as still working ??
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Well I tried to reply to this as "subjective". I personally get beading for alot longer than a week when I use OCW. I average at least 2 months on the cars I care for on a regular basis. Others claim to get longer periods while even others claim to get 2 weeks tops. What's the determining factor in this? I have no idea.......no idea why there is such a broad difference in results. You claim you don't get the "look" you desire yet I am very satisfied with the look and feel, although at first when I got my very first sample of OCW I laughed at it and pretty much made my mind up that it was junk without ever trying it.
In my work "gloss and reflection" are in the area of proper paint prep. Wax, whether it be a paste wax, polymer or cream wax, is just a sacrificial barrier between my polish work and the elements.
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2. I believe you offered that Polyseal used only enough carnauba to enhance or work with other carnaubas, so it is designed as a polymer hybrid ?? Thats what I was really trying to ask... I really dont personally see the need for another AIO product from any manufacturer. Why move to boutique products that specialize in each area, and then settle for an All-In-One product ?? My second part was more hidden, do you feel if Poly-seal was used alone it would outpace any of the other AIO type products on reasonably nice paint?? (Klasse, Poorboys PWS, Werkstatt, Acrylic Shield amongst others)
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PolySeal is a paint cleaner, paint polish and polymer sealant with added carnauba. The addition of carnauba is 1) to work with other carnuaba products and 2) to add that sought after "wet look". So if you want to call it a "hybrid" I reckon that may fit.
Optimum isn't moving into boutique products. In short, PoliSeal is the result of a product developed as a quick one step for another company. David sent myself and Ron a sample, we suggested some improvements and tweaks, the end result being a true one step product. I know from my personal experience that PoliSeal will out work AIO and Poorboys PWS but I have never used any of the Werkstatt products. My partner Ron though has and he states that PoliSeal is far easier to work with and feels slicker. In terms of looks he gave the edge to Werkstatt on some colors, PoliSeal on others. Again all subjective.
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4. You suggested above that you dont use any combo's in your work. Does that mean you DONT use poly-seal and then OCW?? Or are you going from Optimum Polish straight to the OCW product ever since this product was developed in your personal work?? The reason I ask, is obviously using the poly-seal under OCW should enhance its durability and likely its look.... so are you using Poly-seal, yes or no ??
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I like to mainly just seal the paint and get it done as I spend so much time polishing and trying to correct the paint. I don't want to spend another hour or more waxing and/or sealing. OCW is my main go-to sealer.
Lately because I have been doing more and more used cars for my local Porsche dealer I have turned to PoliSeal as the paint just needs to be "sellable". So instead of doing a 2 step machine polish with OCP and a rotary and then my Cyclo I can usually do a one step with either my rotary or my Cyclo.
I have layed down OCW on top of PoliSeal and they work together just fine but again it's not something I do on every car as once it's sealed...at least for me, it's sealed. FAR TOO many guys (and gals) out there are doing thier polish work and then laying down 1 AIO, 3 coats of some polymer and 2 or 3 layers of some paste wax then take pictures of the finished work in the shade and everyone sits back and "Ooh's and Ahh's" the super wet, super reflective paint. That's totally ridiculous IMHO. Just prep the paint, seal the paint.
When people state they do all that work for "durability" I kinda chuckle because these are the same people who can't seem to leave their cars paint alone for more than 2 weeks as they are always trying something new, or some new combo looking for that ever elusive "magic bullet".
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3. New question ... you discuss "your" new pure sealant. Is this another product Optimum is bringing to the market ?? Are you the beta tester ?? Are you involved in Optimum in more ways that just using the product ?? Anotherwords, are you bringing your own line to market or just hyping someone elses ?? I know thats a hard question, and not meant to invoke attack, but a question I feel needs answering since you offer the product in reply so often.
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The sealant is my idea but I am by no means a paint chemist so I told David what I wanted, how I wanted it to look, to be applied, etc. He took it from there. I had samples over a year ago and while the durability was just insane it did not have any slickness to it at all and it was difficult to apply. So it was placed on the back burner for a bit because of the OCP and Hyper reformulations. Recently David had time to do some more developing and he believes he made a great breakthrough in terms of certain additives....he uses big words and stuff and confuses me....I just told him I was excited to try it out.
So *IF* the sealant works as planned (in my head) then it will be my product with the Optimum label. I will name the product and yes I will make some profit from the sale of it as will David as he designed it.
I do not get any money from any product maker although I do get, from time to time, product at little to no charge. I do have an Optimum distributorship for all of Texas BUT I just don't have the time to set it up as I would like and in truth have made about $200 last year in sales
Pretty pathetic! So my goal is not to make money selling for anyone but rather using their products to enhance my work first and foremost. If I make a few bucks on the side, ehh...cool.
I use Optimum pretty much exclusively because they fill a wide range of need. Years ago in my "product box" I carried several Hi-Temp levelers, Pinnacle Cleansing Lotion, Hi-Temp's polymer, Menzerna IP, PG, and FP. I carried Menzerna FMJ along with 5 different paste waxes, Poorboys 1, 2, 3 and VM plus Meguiars #3, #9, some 3M. That' no lie.
I now carry Optimum Polish, Optimum Hyper, PoliSeal and OCW, that's it. I get more done in less time and save a crap load of dough plus I save alot of time cleaning up as the Optimum line creates such little mess and dust. For me it's a no-brainer.
I carry one dressing for interior (besides Leathermaster) and two tire dressings, Poorboys and Optimum's Tire Gel which is applied via air compressor and paint gun. I am also carrying right now some Sonus products but those are for testing purposes only right now for TOL.
So my "product box" is no longer a footlocker but now more like a shoe box
It's nice to know though that not everyone thinks or works like me as that would be a boring place in the detailing world. I am not against trying new stuff as long as it is cost effective and works and I appreciate the questions, no offense taken on my side.
Hope those answer your questions, Happy New Year!
Anthony
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