Collinite 845 Vs. Blackfire wax

[Alex22]

Recently I read a survey by Black Car and it was about the best wax for longest duration and quality based on price as well and the top two products were Collinite 845 and Blackfire. Can everyone describe their experiances or preferences over the products? Bellow is his survey.

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[BobbyG]

Hi Alex,

Both Collinite 845 and BlackFire Midnight Sun are nice products and I don't think you can go wrong with either one...

When freshly applied both look great but then again they should.

I think Collinite 845 is the clear winner in durability and when comparing costs, Collinite 845 wins hands down at $15.00 to BlackFire Midnight Sun at $79.00.

I apply Collinite 845 with my Porter Cable 7424 and either a blue or red foam pad on speed 3. Collinite 845 like all waxes should be applied very thin as a little goes a long way.

Many have applied Collinite 845 by hand and have run into a little trouble. Hand application tends to apply the product way to thick. This doesn't let the product haze and makes it difficult to remove. It's no fault of the wax, however it frustrates the user and they naturally blame the product...

[sahrcar]

Originally Posted by BobbyG

Hand application tends to apply the product way to thick.

For this reason, whenever I hand apply 845 I generally scrap a bit back into the bottle since its so runny at first and you always get more than you want on the pad. After scrapping, I "kiss" the vehicle all around to help spread the wax out. This leaves the round imprints of the pad which gives me a good visual for how much wax I have to work with in each section so then I can dab a bit off if its too thick and just apply it to another section as needed.

[MI Mike]

Originally Posted by BobbyG

Hi Alex,

Both Collinite 845 and BlackFire Midnight Sun are nice products and I don't think you can go wrong with either one... When freshly applied both look great but then again they should. I think Collinite 845 is the clear winner in durability and when comparing costs, Collinite 845 wins hands down at $15.00 to BlackFire Midnight Sun at $79.00. I apply Collinite 845 with my Porter Cable 7424 and either a blue or red foam pad on speed 3. Collinite 845 like all waxes should be applied very thin as a little goes a long way. ...

IMO. I would have to add that Collinite and Duragloss provide alot of what Blackfire offers at a lower cost. I have tried Blackfire old formula/new and keep going back to the tried and true. When something works as good, you stick with it, until something better comes along. That has not happened yet.

[wgilles]

I'm a huge Collinite fan. I use it whenever I know the user of the car isn't going to be taking meticulous care of the car (like use Autogeek-ers do). For example, I put 845 on my moms car after detailing it and it only gets washed 1-2 times a month (usually by me haha) and the water still beads and only needs to be freshened up every once in a while. It still looks great too! 845 for the win

[BookemDano]

Originally Posted by Alex22

Recently I read a survey by Black Car and it was about the best wax for longest duration and quality based on price as well and the top two products were Collinite 845 and Blackfire. Can everyone describe their experiances or preferences over the products? Bellow is his survey.

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You understand that products listed in the survey are all PBMG products, don't you? For durability, Zaino Z5/Z2 are probably the best of the non-permanent LSPs. If you spray with Z8, protection will probably last indefinitely. Whether it gives you the look you want is another issue.

I have a bottle of UPGP on the way. I'm doing a limited comparison review of Z5 (X2) + Z2 (X1) vs UPGP (X3) on the hood of my Audi. (For protection, the rest of the car will have Zaino only sealants.) For QD, I'll use Z6 on the Zaino sealant and
UWWP (Ultima Waterless Wash Plus+ Concentrate, concentrated waterless auto wash, waterless car wash) on the UPGP (based on CeeDog's recommendations).

My criteria for this review are looks and durability. I'll report every few weeks and every month or so on the durability part.

While I'll comment on ease of application, I think that there's not much difference. With Zaino, you have to remove the haze. But you can apply the next coat immediately. With UPGP, it's WOWA but you have to wait at least 45 minutes before applying the next coat. Overall, I think the application time for three coats will be about the same.

In any case, folks here focus on PBMG products to the exclusion of other products. Since this is a detailing forum, all products are fair game, IMO. I want to broaden the discussion.

Regards,

Dan.

[Black Car]

Whoa, as far as what bobby said I don't think the comparison was collinite to midnight sun. The survey was for best lsp's not limited to waxes. The two that were in the lead were Collinite and Blackfire Sealant. I've used both and I like both but the looks Collinite provide are second to Blackfire. Collinite probably lasts longer.

If you get collinte try to put a top on it that squirts and closes. The flip top one.

[OhTwoGT]

I used an old top from one of the adam's car washes that I have in the 16oz and it works great for 845. I have both and they are both great in different areas. MS is a great wax on top of BFWDPS and 845 is a great stand alone. I use blackfire on my car because it makes my metallic pop in a way that i havent seen with any other but 845 looks great as well.

[szjalo]

Originally Posted by BobbyG

Many have applied Collinite 845 by hand and have run into a little trouble. Hand application tends to apply the product way to thick. This doesn't let the product haze and makes it difficult to remove. It's no fault of the wax, however it frustrates the user and they naturally blame the product...

Overemphasizing the difficulty of hand application may keep the newbie(without a machine) away from this awesome wax. I keep using hand to apply any waxes even I have a polisher by hand. (This is so fun). I never run into any issue hand applying 845.

usually 3 pea sized areas on the pad for the first and second panel after that, 1 more dot of wax for each panel. pressure the applicator against a clear and clean window/ glass, see if there is any wax residue left. this is a good way to overcome the temptation of adding too much products on the applicator

[StoneRaizer]

Comparing 845 to Blackfire Wet Diamond is like choosing chocolate ice cream or vanilla ice cream - either way, you're going to be very happy.

Collinite #845 is nearly indestructible. Put two coats of the stuff on your car and it'll survive the Apocalypse without a scratch on it. I applied a coat last November to my '02 Accent and after a long Canadian winter, the stuff is STILL beading. It can be a little difficult to wipe off and the slickness is a little grabby, but those are minor complaints.

BFWD is so easy to use a caveman can do it. Goes on buttery smooth, wipes off baby's bum smooth, and the surface is so slick you could use your hood as a shuffleboard table. It's pure synthetic so it has a more reflective look than 845 and the durability isn't as long as 845.

Bottom line - both are exceptional LSPs at very reasonable prices: $30 for BFWD, $15 for 845.