Edge 2000 pad failure, 2nd use.

[Rsurfer]

Originally Posted by Al-53

I am not trying to bad mouth a product here...But I have 4"...5"CCS...5.5 LC...and 6" CCS pads and I can put pressure on them to the point of almost flattening them and get rotation..If I had a video cam I would show you...I have put some serious downward pressure on them and they still spin... I am not favoring one pad over another..just stating a fact...even my old Edge classics will spin...it could be a optical illusion...but they look like spinning to me as I have a red 1" dot on my backing plate and its a solid red blur 360 degrees on speed 5 and 6....

AL

Hi Al, I have followed your posting for some time now and highly respect your views and comments. I beleive what you are saying is true. I too have put a black X on my backing plate and the edge pads do not rotate with 5lbs. of pressure, however my LC ccs pads do rotate even with 15-20lbs. of pressure. I changed the counter weight from 5" to 6" and it did help a bit, but still stops rotating with a little pressure. I also used the edge with and without washers. The theory behind the edge pads are terrific: Self centering, 2 pads in one, easy connect and disconnect. Any suggestions Al would be greatly appreciated.

Sorry I meant an x on the side of the edge pad.

[MikeyC]

I've used both LC and Edge pads and IME they both spin the same. I will add that it is awfully hard to see if the Edge pads are spinning. There is no mark or reference point for your eye to follow where as a backing plate usually has some kind of mark on it.

Anyway, I'm not sure why people are always SO obsessed with whether the pad is spinning or not. As long as the pad is orbiting then it's still polishing. I only look to see if the pad is spinning to guage how much downward pressure I'm applying.

I'd also like to add that I've had my Edge pads for I believe over a year now and despite many polishing sessions they still look and perform like new. Plus, I'm still using the same adapter which also looks and performs as new.

[koibybrian]

I love my Edge Pads. I did notice a small tear about 3/8 inch developing on my blue pad about a half inch from spindale opening(around 6 uses). Think I should toss? only problem I have had.

[Adde]

seems to me a lot of the blue pads tear in that exact spot around the opening Im going to email aron with a pic of mine and send it back seeing if I can get a new one this is only 2nd use

[Grimm]

Originally Posted by MikeyC

Anyway, I'm not sure why people are always SO obsessed with whether the pad is spinning or not. As long as the pad is orbiting then it's still polishing. I only look to see if the pad is spinning to guage how much downward pressure I'm applying.

I don't understand either. The PC is not designed to "spin" the pad at all. The spinning is just a byproduct of the physics of the machines orbitting. You put some pressure on the machine and any pad will most likely stop "spinning" at some point. Some may do it quicker than others.

[koibybrian]

Originally Posted by Adde

seems to me a lot of the blue pads tear in that exact spot around the opening Im going to email aron with a pic of mine and send it back seeing if I can get a new one this is only 2nd use

Bothersome to say the least. I wonderd f I was the only one that experienced it.

[budman3]

Originally Posted by Grimm

I don't understand either. The PC is not designed to "spin" the pad at all. The spinning is just a byproduct of the physics of the machines orbitting. You put some pressure on the machine and any pad will most likely stop "spinning" at some point. Some may do it quicker than others.

What is the name of the PC? Porter Cable 7424 Dual Action Polisher. If the pads are not meant to spin, can you please name the two actions that this polisher does?

[Nimble]

Originally Posted by budman3

What is the name of the PC? Porter Cable 7424 Dual Action Polisher. If the pads are not meant to spin, can you please name the two actions that this polisher does?

Budman does have a pretty solid point there.

[Grimm]

Originally Posted by budman3

What is the name of the PC? Porter Cable 7424 Dual Action Polisher. If the pads are not meant to spin, can you please name the two actions that this polisher does?

This has been gone over before in another thread, but the machine does not have a forced rotation. It only orbits around the axis in the jiggling manner. As you know, you can freely spin the pad when the machine is off. So when the machine is on and orbitting, it is free to "spin" like you are talking about. But then once you put enough pressure on the pad, it will stop spinning. In case I was mistaken by having a defective machine, I did confirm this with Porter Cable.

[Al-53]

well then I have a different machine then..with a 5.5 in pad I can put severe pressure on it to the point I may push the panel in and it rotates...to the point where my red dot is a swirling red blur 360 degrees...its not a forced rotaion...it is centrifical rotation...if the pad is not grabbing the paint and jiggling then it will rotate and orbit at the same time..thats why they put lubes in polish to reduce friction...so something is grabbing the paint....it works on cocentric motion..

look at a pad the jiggles..you see your polish dots on the foam...look at a pad that rotates...you see polish on the whole surface...so with rotation and orbits you get a different pad area each orbit and polish covering all areas ..with a jiggle you get the same area working the paint more or less

AL