Just what the economy needed

[joe.p]

Originally Posted by Gary Sword

You know your my bud joe and I certainly don't think your an A ss. .

Gary..i always respect your inteligent opinions/post...your my bud as well ...

[P1et]

This is a fantastic thread, learning quite a bit here and interesting to read everyone's sides on the issue.

If I were you guys, I'd get it in now. Because by morning, this thread will be closed.

[joe.p]

Originally Posted by P1et

This is a fantastic thread, learning quite a bit here and interesting to read everyone's sides on the issue.

If I were you guys, I'd get it in now. Because by morning, this thread will be closed.

P1et..its late go to bed now ...i'm kidding

[P1et]

Originally Posted by joe.p

P1et..its late go to bed now ...i'm kidding

No, you're too right since it's almost midnight. I really must stop checking AG before after 11pm, you always spend at least 45 minutes catching up on posts!

Good night everyone...

[gary26]

I would like to add that I'm President of Local #297 Laborers Union of North America. Let me add that 83% of the Laborers that retire from the union have a disability from the hard work that they do. The factory workers also work under hard conditions. Yes it's true that many manufactures are moving out of the country in search of cheap labor. Soon the whole country will be working under Walmart conditions part time, cheap pay, no benefits, no retirement. the housing market is already suffering the last 6 straight month's and will continue to do so. The American dream is slowly being taken away from many Americans. The credit card debit in this country is at an all time high. People are losing there houses. People are going without insurance.
$8.00 an hour and $10.00 dollar an hour jobs aren't going to help anyone.

[jsatek]

Originally Posted by makdaddy626

jsatek, I'm glad you agree but I have to say that I find many of your comments to be off the point and down right rude - I know some extremely intelligent people that never finished high school and some people that I don't think have enough sense to be allowed to operate a motor vehicle with ivy league educations. Read over some of Joe P.'s posts before you start questioning his intelligence, he's one of the most respected members on this board and while I may disagree with him on this and probably many other topics I would never presume to think that I'm any more intelligent. Lose the personal insults and stick the ISSUES and people will be more inclined to listen.

I wish someone would close this thread.

You man struck first, it just happened to be against a bigger and smarter dog. Thats not my problem. He struck against education, which is something I value, just like he values his UAW beliefs.

I offered him the opportunity to debate my thoughts. He didn't. He took the insult route, which clearly demonstrates ignorance. A strong belief with out backing. I would give him a little respect if he was wise enough to even Google an answer.

DO you all know that the strike is over. And guess who profited, WALL ST!

[Gary Sword]

Nothing is ever a black and white issue. It's ok to disagree in a respectful way. Personal attacks serve no useful purpose and never help get one's point across. In the end I think we would all like to see the American car companies get back on their feet and keep jobs in the US.

[efex4]

Time for ear plugs! --- jsatek is toooting his horn pretty loudly (I guess the I's and me's have it)

[joe.p]

Originally Posted by jsatek

Maybe someone can explain Union Dues to me?

You are sold as labor to a "choked: company.
You are paid hourly and at about a third of the rate you are billed at.
You pay a POST tax "VIG" to a union hall.

To do what for you?
Fire you when things get too costly?
Make you strike to get some fictional benefit?
Offer no job for you to jump to if necessary?

B-fund, you already earned it.....

your lack of knowledge on how the unions are run is exactly what i was talking about..i guess i'll put in qoutes for you again...

Fire you when things get too costly?

i told you once already Unions don't fire people

Make you strike to get some fictional benefit?

Unions don't make you strike..Members vote as to strike or not

Offer no job for you to jump to if necessary?

If the Hall is a hiring hall and work is available..the hall will put you work as long as your in good standings and your dues are current..

[killrwheels@autogeek]

As offered the union and GM are back at table and strike has ended ... lets all remember to keep personal threats, comments aside and have an intelligent conversation from all sides of the proverbial coin. While thread is not locked, lets remove any personal vendetta's from any additional posts and stay on topic while in off topic. (smiles)