New Word of the Day

[Vegas Transplant]

tan·gi·ble

adj \ˈtan-jə-bəl\

Definition of TANGIBLE

1
a: capable of being perceived especially by the sense of touch : palpable b: substantially real : material

2
: capable of being precisely identified or realized by the mind <her grief was tangible>

3
: capable of being appraised at an actual or approximate value <tangible assets>




Perception of quality is tangible,
when dealing with tools which are frangible.
Let the buyer beware,
and maybe a prayer
when purchasing tools mechanical.

[Vegas Transplant]

Focused:
1. concentrated
2. singled minded
synonyms: absorbed, attentive, fixated, engrossed

A great quality often found in a detailer is his focused dedication to the task at hand.

However, there have been those that have posted of their attentiveness to issues which were not part of the pricing, or agreement; but pertinent to their signature of over the top detailing.

Sometimes, being fixated on a particular issue, we miss the bigger picture; especially after seeking forum advice. Those responding are most times giving advice of not only where we have suceeded, but also from our past failures, and our learning experience related thereof.

[FUNX725]

Originally Posted by Vegas Transplant

Almost home!!!...
....Crossing the Potomac US 301 southbound...
...South bound and down...loaded up and trucking.

Bob

[FUNX725]

A "new word of the day" for 08.27.2012:

Axiology


Definition:
A. The philosophical study of values. Those values being:
1.) Ethics--------------Concepts of "Right and Good"
2.) Aesthetics---Concepts of "Beauty and Harmony"

B. The study of value judgments; worth

C. The rational investigation of: Existence and knowledge
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Originally Posted by Vegas Transplant

tan·gi·ble

"Perception of quality is tangible,
when dealing with tools which are frangible.
Let the buyer beware,
and maybe a prayer
when purchasing tools mechanical".

^^^^^^^^

Originally Posted by Vegas Transplant

Focused:

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If I may...
I will assume that most folks (myself included) do not "wax philosophically" (when it comes to being an Axiologist);
but, a Detailer's customer may indeed discover, upon the 'delivery-condition' of their vehicle, if the Detailer was:
Focused on the "details"; or, was inattentive to, what the Detailer believed, would be:
Intangible to the "Average-Joe/Jane" vehicle owner.



Bob

[Vegas Transplant]

Thanks for the welcome FUN.
I'm back, but I'm not back. I planned to leave out Sat. night, but decided to wait until the NWS could make sense of Issac. Will be southbound again within the hour, this time in the Lac.


A few weeks ago I detailed the Tailgater (2000 Escalade) of a dedicated customer (4 Lac's and two Mazda's) in preparation for the Redskin's pre-season opener. While I was in SC his daughter texted me several blurry photos of the wife's '11 with rock chips and paint transfer. Sad thing is...this customer probably has attended his last Tailgate, but his wife goes through the motions anyway.

This customer is dear to my heart as he has been fighting prostrate cancer since before I met him. I dropped what I was doing in SC and drove back Thursday for a quick wash, Opti-Seal, and interior wipedown on the tailgater. To my surprise, the '11 was at the bodyshop (dealer) and the Missus wanted her Old School cleaned up for the interim. It's been 3-4 months since I last cleaned it up and it's a 24/7 outside, never driven vehicle. I wish that I would have taken before pictures, but I still have over 300 pictures that I took (my 10 year old helper/photographer) while in SC to go through and resize.









Car had sat so long in one spot, that green mold (?) was growing in the door jambs, trunk/hood jambs, and in the crevices of the side body trim.

Quick 1-step OPS, OPT mf 6.5, 9227C, Optiseal.

Intangible to the average "Joe/Jane" vehicle owner.

This subject came to mind as I was travelling. It seems that detailing steps that went un-noticed when these relationships started, are now at the forefront of customer dialogue while at the premises, or in the conversation with referrals. An educated customer is a pleasure.

An axiological perplexity that I am often guilty of is, "will the vehicle's finished process be of more value by going less aggressive, thus saving clear coat, or going for near perfection on older, low mileage, customer vehicle". I hope that this makes sense.
My quandry has lately been whether to correct (unpaid) so as in the hope of garnering more referrals, or provided the highest level of bling according to package price.
I have found that a deep, long lasting finish, accompanied by a maintenance program, is more desired than a 2-day multi-step, vehicle/garage-tying up process in my market.

Wow, time sure flies when you're having fun.

Happy detailing...

[FUNX725]

Originally Posted by Vegas Transplant

Car had sat so long in one spot, that green mold (?) was growing in the door jambs, trunk/hood jambs, and in the crevices of the side body trim.

^^^EWWWW!!!^^^
Is there hardly anything worse than discovering...adhereing to a vehicle:

Necrosis...that's been perpetrated by the death of circumscribed areas of plants' tissue
as a result of outside agents such as the:
Fungi of the genus Penicillium or Peronospora tabacina??


Quick 1-step OPS, OPT mf 6.5, 9227C, Optiseal.

^^^^^^

Of Course! You had the appropiate: "extermination of green mold" tools at the ready.

BTW... Excellent looking detail on the old-school STS---cool car!

An axiological perplexity that I am often guilty of is, "will the vehicle's finished process be of more value by going less aggressive, thus saving clear coat, or going for near perfection on older, low mileage, customer vehicle". I hope that this makes sense.<<<Yes it does!!

My quandry has lately been whether to correct (unpaid) so as in the hope of garnering more referrals, or provided the highest level of bling according to package price.
I have found that a deep, long lasting finish, accompanied by a maintenance program, is more desired than a 2-day multi-step, vehicle/garage-tying up process in my market.

^^^^^^^^^^^
I suppose a couple of ways to examine/diagnose your above 'quandries' would, perhaps, be to:

1. Allow your "personal ethics" to always be the guiding force in these types of
Business situations/choices...Inner-Self examination, as it were.

2. And, as you elegantly stated...Your Market-area.

3. Also...Sometimes it is not: About The Money!




Bob

[FUNX725]

For 08.28.2012's "new word of the day"...I offer:

Friable

Definition:
-Crumbly
-Easily crumbled, or reduced to powder
-Easily broken up
-Fragile; frangible
-(NOTE: Not to be confused with: fryable)


By the above definitions; and, in comparison to "SMAT" car-care products;
I’m wondering:

-Would "DAT" car-care products be considered friable/unfriable?
(For that matter…What is the degree-of-friableness, if any, of the aforementioned SMAT car-care products?)

-Does time/temperature/pressure/speed...among others...
also have to be factors in/for consideration of: abrasives’ friability?

-Can 'inappropriate/wrong technique', during machine-buffing, cause non-friable materials/chemicals to become friable?


Alas...So much to disambiguate…So little time (left for me ..it seems) to do so!!

A little Help…Please?!?!?!
Comments, anyone, in regards to this friability-matter?

-Thanks in advance...



Bob

[Vegas Transplant]

Originally Posted by FUNX725

By the above definitions; and, in comparison to "SMAT" car-care products;
I’m wondering:

-Would "DAT" car-care products be considered friable/unfriable?
(For that matter…What is the degree-of-friableness, if any, of the aforementioned SMAT car-care products?)

Q1-Does time/temperature/pressure/speed...among others...
also have to be factors in/for consideration of: abrasives’ friability?

Q2-Can 'inappropriate/wrong technique', during machine-buffing, cause non-friable materials/chemicals to become friable?




Bob

Q1. Probably for M105 and other longstanding products...3M, Mother's, etc., but not in their newer offerings which have a "wetter" carrier.

Q2. Great question. Probably so...again depending upon the carrier.



As far as friable refers to frangible, I would say yes.
As compared to SMAT, again, Yes.

Originally Posted by Mike Phillips

What's the difference between DAT and SMAT

Originally Posted by Mike Phillips

SMAT - Super Micro Abrasives Technology
DAT - Diminishing Abrasives Technology


DAT - Diminishing Abrasives Technology
Diminishing Abrasives are a category of abrasives that actually break down, pulverize and disintegrate into nothingness as you work them against the paint.

For example, a diminishing abrasive will start out a certain size and/or shape, then under pressure over time as they are worked against the paint they will actually breakdown or break apart. This means they start out aggressive and thus aggressively abrading the paint, as they are worked under pressure over time they begin to break down and as they breakdown their aggressiveness level is reduced to the point that when correctly worked they are completely broken down and all you have left is a mixture of spent or used-up diminishing abrasives and the carrying agent or base they were embodied in to start with. There's also a certain amount of removed paint in this resulting mixture.



SMAT - Super Micro Abrasives Technology
Super Micro Abrasives are as the name states microscopic in size and do not break down like diminishing abrasives. While they may not breakdown like a diminishing abrasive, there does come a point where there effectiveness falls off in performance, my guess is that this is a cumulative effect of the base formula they are embodied in dissipates while particles of removed paint build up in the residue adulterating or diluting their effectiveness.

Just to note, this same adulterating or diluting effect takes place with any abrasive product because as the abrasive remove small particles of paint, these small particle of paint join into the mixture thus changing the ratio or percentage of abrasives to the base formula.


What's the practical difference?
The biggest difference that I can share is this, with diminishing abrasive technology you MUST work the product until the abrasives have completely broken down to insure you don't leave any swirls in the paint. The reason for this is because if you stop buffing before the abrasives have completely broken down then they are still cutting or abrading the paint, thus leaving swirls in the paint.

This isn't really a problem because most diminishing abrasive products when used correctly will break down over a normal buffing cycle, (period of time and number of passes), to sufficiently break the abrasives down. It's usually only an issue for people new to car detailing who are learning as they go.


With Super Micro Abrasive Technology, theoretically, because the abrasives don't break down, or more specifically because the abrasives don't break down like diminishing abrasives break down, you can stop anywhere in the buffing cycle without leaving swirls caused by the abrasives. This would tend to make SMAT products more "Bubba-Proof" with an easier or more flat learning curve.

Because the abrasives don't break down like traditional diminishing abrasives, and from experience leave a very clear, scratch-free finish whether you're using the most aggressive or the most non-aggressive products, this new technology kind of throws a monkey wrench into the philosophy of,

"Use the least aggressive product to get the job done"

The disagreement that I have is revealed when friable is defined by the word,"easily".
Over time and under pressure is a process that negates the definition of friable when defined using "easily"...IMO.

Where I really get confused is when you have a product like Optimum Hyper Compound, where both SMAT and DAT technologies are employed.

Originally Posted by Marketing from AGO store

A unique blend of proprietary polymers and abrasives allows for rapid removal of sanding marks and deep paint imperfections and defects, like swirls and scratches, all while creating the look of a polish.

If DAT breaks down over time/pressure, and SMAT somehow becomes ineffective and loses it's ability to abrade...

How is it that the OHC Spray can correct while having abrasives that seem to work one against the other???...and finish defect free (albeit a little hazing???)

It seems to me that if the abraded paint somehow coerces the SMAT aspect of the product,...then what about the DAT that is completely rendered???

Or, is this the proprietary function of OHC Spray???

Either way, it is a great product and one that I am PROUD to use regularly.

[FUNX725]

@VT:

RE: Your posting, #968...



Well thought-out/composed...
Thanks for your insight!!



Bob

[Vegas Transplant]