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06-23-2007, 04:18 PM
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for the full cure I would wait 12 minimum...24 tops....Humid weather takes longer..so that would be 24 hours....warm and dry I would wait 12 at least....
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06-23-2007, 05:16 PM
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Instead of layering the 105 you could also use DG#101 first and then DG#105 after, and put the AW on next day or after next wash. (the 101 cleans the paint great)
3rd option is the DG bonding agent first then the 105
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06-23-2007, 06:40 PM
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AH ... there once was a little product coming to market called NXT. A little man named Mike P said it could be layered. After visiting the MSDS sheet and finding a little product called calcified kaolin he would not budge. His offer was still the same. I suppose his magical cleaner could tell and skip areas already protected by his sealant. Finally, after much ado about nothing he admitted we were true. It either has cleaners nor it doesnt, it either has abrasives nor it doesnt, and that under scrunity it was likely to remove some/all the previous layer.
Why do I say this .... because it does or it doesnt. Personal perception is all that matters. I prefer the truth, and if one coat is more than enough then so be it, less work. I would much rather place effort on a booster (say AW) at each wash cycle then to build or enhance looks and protection.
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06-23-2007, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by killrwheels@autogeek AH ... there once was a little product coming to market called NXT. A little man named Mike P said it could be layered. After visiting the MSDS sheet and finding a little product called calcified kaolin he would not budge. His offer was still the same. I suppose his magical cleaner could tell and skip areas already protected by his sealant. Finally, after much ado about nothing he admitted we were true. It either has cleaners nor it doesnt, it either has abrasives nor it doesnt, and that under scrunity it was likely to remove some/all the previous layer.
Why do I say this .... because it does or it doesnt. Personal perception is all that matters. I prefer the truth, and if one coat is more than enough then so be it, less work. I would much rather place effort on a booster (say AW) at each wash cycle then to build or enhance looks and protection. |  Perhaps using a polycharger would be a better idea instead of 2 layers of DG #105.
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06-24-2007, 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by dontsleeponit wow this name stuff gets confusing, so the 105 is a cleaner, polish, AND sealant? pretty much like a xmt 360 kinda deal? Man they need to start calling polishes polishes, cleaners cleaners, and all in ones... well you get my point... | #101 is more like #360 both has strong chemical cleaners. #105 has a very mild cleaner and you can layer it. I have done this on a few vehicles.
You need to use one of these polishes first before using #105. They are #101, XMT360, or klasse AIO. This is so that #105 has an area to bond too.
You can forgo polish by using #601.
To keep your paint finish looking great, use #951 after washes......
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06-24-2007, 07:19 AM
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the DG 601 bonding agent will only give the 105 (or lsp) a better durability if thats the goal.
But would it be a point doing:
101 + 601 + 105?
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06-24-2007, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Truls the DG 601 bonding agent will only give the 105 (or lsp) a better durability if thats the goal.
But would it be a point doing:
101 + 601 + 105? | No need for #601 if using 101 first IMO. I have read that #601 will give #105 more durability.
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06-24-2007, 10:23 AM
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I have used AL's 101 then 105 x3 on the last three vehicles I have done. The look is awesome. I usually will wait 24hrs between the 101 and the first coat of 105. After the first coat of 105 I will wait a few days. So are we to believe the 105 resists acid rain but a second coat of its self after it has cured will remove the first coat? I will leave the chemical debates to the chemists and I will just do what looks the best for my cars. I have even gone so far as to wait 2 weeks and throw a coat of IW 845 on top, and if that does not have solvents in it I dont know what does, I sure wouldnt smoke while putting it on.
Enjoy the wekeend fellas,
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06-24-2007, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Bags I have used AL's 101 then 105 x3 on the last three vehicles I have done. The look is awesome. I usually will wait 24hrs between the 101 and the first coat of 105. After the first coat of 105 I will wait a few days. So are we to believe the 105 resists acid rain but a second coat of its self after it has cured will remove the first coat? I will leave the chemical debates to the chemists and I will just do what looks the best for my cars. I have even gone so far as to wait 2 weeks and throw a coat of IW 845 on top, and if that does not have solvents in it I dont know what does, I sure wouldnt smoke while putting it on.
Enjoy the wekeend fellas,
Bags | 845 has no cleaning properties and therefore can be layered.. or at least that's what I have been told. I stick with Killrwheels, if a product has cleaning agents in it I will not layer it. Although it may look good, I think the perceived improvement is cerebral.
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06-25-2007, 05:32 PM
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I talked to the chemist at Duragloss and was told to wait 12 to 24 hours depending on the temp and humidity between coats.
Like AL-53 said 105 can be layered and with two layers on my Ranger I went 14 months before redoing it and it really did not need it then.
I keep my Ranger in a garage when not in use so I think I could get two years from 105.
The original poster ask if you can use a wax over 105. YES you can but then you would need to use 601 again before applying 105 because it will not last as long over wax. When the wax comes off the 105 would come off with it.
I just use the AW over it then you have no problems.
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