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Sn95nik · #1 08-07-2006, 10:21 AM

Hello all,

I'll be brief, but I'd like some feedback on a problem I had this weekend. I hit the hood of my Laser Red Mustang with SSR1, and then layed down three different LSP's in different areas with the idea of doing a durability test. The products were Meg's #26, DP MaxWax (love the way this went on and off!), and Duragloss 601/105 combo. Now I know I don't have any

, but it started to rain not long after I noticed the problem, so I'll just describe it as best I can. Basically, the paint looks cloudy across the entire hood. Like some areas of the paint are much darker than others, in random blotches, no real pattern to it. Since this is spread across the entire hood, and not just one of the LSP's, I'm assuming it must be something to do with the SSR1. Is it possible that the oils in SSR1 could cause cloudy paint if not removed before LSP application? Would an IPA wipe-down after polishing have helped this? TIA for your help,

Nick

PS. So much for being brief, I apologize, but I'm just a little frustrated

Excessive Detail · #2 08-07-2006, 12:44 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but max wax and #26 are nuba pastse, and I don't know about duragloss, and pastse aren't really meant to hold up to long, usually through a few washes, if that. Probably waht going on is you didn't remove all the product to layed down, either when you were polishing or usinf lsp. I would take your qd and a fresh mf and wipe down the area. Also, you may not have layed down the lsp evenly, since you used three different ones, and with most nubas its good to use a foam app. pad to evenly thin out the nuba.

Sn95nik · #3 08-07-2006, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Excessive Detail

Correct me if I'm wrong, but max wax and #26 are nuba pastse, and I don't know about duragloss, and pastse aren't really meant to hold up to long, usually through a few washes, if that. Probably waht going on is you didn't remove all the product to layed down, either when you were polishing or usinf lsp. I would take your qd and a fresh mf and wipe down the area. Also, you may not have layed down the lsp evenly, since you used three different ones, and with most nubas its good to use a foam app. pad to evenly thin out the nuba.

You're correct, the MaxWax and the #26 are both Carnuba's. The Duragloss is a synthetic, but I was really more interested in which carnuba would last longest. I'll be using the Duragloss over the winter months, and just wanted to get an idea of how long it will last with proper care. Let me point out again that I did not apply all three products on top of each other, they are in adjacent areas next to each other. All were applied thinly with foam apps. I too though that perhaps I had not removed all of the product, or didn't lay them down evenly, but I have the same haziness/cloudiness under all three LSP's. This is what led me to believe it was an issue with the SSR1, because that is the only thing all three areas have in common. I'll make sure and try an IPA wipe after the SSR next time, to see if I can confirm this. Thanks.

wytstang · #4 08-07-2006, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sn95nik

but I was really more interested in which carnuba would last longest.

#26 is a synthetic blend isn't it???

Sn95nik · #5 08-07-2006, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by wytstang

#26 is a synthetic blend isn't it???

The extent of my knowledge on #26 is that it contains Carnuba. I won't claim to be an expert, because I'm not. There is a very good chance it could contain synthetics as well.

Either way, this still wouldn't change the fact that the cloudiness I've seen covers the whole hood, under all three different areas with all three different LSP's. The ONLY product that was used in all three areas is the SSR1. I'm currently at work, but I'm going to try to wipedown the hood with QD when I get home, and see if the I can get some pics of this to show you guys. After that, the next step will, I guess, be an IPA wipe down and re-application of the LSP's to see if the haze/cloudiness comes back.

killrwheels@autogeek · #6 08-07-2006, 05:43 PM

cloudiness is normal one of two items. A sealant that did not properly cure (toss that one out although Duragloss is a sealant) or the polish did not break down completely at left high/low spots. Thats why I always suggest an alcohol wipe down before ANY protectant.

Try to wipe the car with some distilled water and see if its gone. It could also be too much product, but highly unlikely since you used three different brands.

Surfer · #7 08-07-2006, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by killrwheels@autogeek

cloudiness is normal one of two items. A sealant that did not properly cure (toss that one out although Duragloss is a sealant) or the polish did not break down completely at left high/low spots. Thats why I always suggest an alcohol wipe down before ANY protectant.

Try to wipe the car with some distilled water and see if its gone. It could also be too much product, but highly unlikely since you used three different brands.

Agree, I don't think you broke down SSR enough, try using IA or Klasse AIO then follow up with your products. Especially since all 3 brands showed the same character.

supercharged · #8 08-07-2006, 06:18 PM

I always wipe down the surface with 50/50 water/rubbing alcohol BEFORE applying any sealant. Same should go for wax too. And if you know it's gonna rain soon, park under a shelter or in a garage.

Reddwarf · #9 08-07-2006, 06:38 PM

This is interesting. I had not picked up on the alcohol wipe down before. So, Killr, is suggesting that after he removed the PB SSR1, he should have wiped the car down with isopropyl alcohol. I assume with an MF? Supercharged suggests a solution of 50/50 water and alcohol. Then Surfer mentioned AIO. Hmm, a little more details here would be good – for Sn95nik and some of us other folks too!

killrwheels@autogeek · #10 08-07-2006, 06:55 PM

AIO is paint cleaner with no real fillers, so a perfect starting place for adding any protectant (wax or sealant).

I rub down with alcohol (alcohol is already a combination w/ water) for two reasons. Removes any missed polish, it removes any fillers, and gives a pristine finish for ANY protectant to adhere too. It also shows me if any of the swirls or marring was just hidden (by fillers) versus truly removed. That way I can go back to a polish again and again if necessary.