So they say coatings need bare paint to bond to ...

[dpk20x]

On a side note it looks like you did a good job with the amigo on your jeep

Thanks

[dpk20x]

Well here we are 18 hours after application. Coating is still going strong

[allenk4]

Jeep looks nice

I am surprised the contact angle of the beads is not higher


You might consider adjusting your verbiage when discussing glazes:

"you may still be able to see some of the marring that the amigo was unable to remove. Now honestly I have no idea if Amigo corrected some of the damage or..."

A glaze fills defects, it does not "remove" or "correct" defects

[TurboToys]

Jeep looks nice

I am surprised the contact angle of the beads is not higher


You might consider adjusting your verbiage when discussing glazes:

"you may still be able to see some of the marring that the amigo was unable to remove. Now honestly I have no idea if Amigo corrected some of the damage or..."

A glaze fills defects, it does not "remove" or "correct" defects

contact angle of the beads is probably not as good as you've seen because he didn't go with a full correction.

[allenk4]

contact angle of the beads is probably not as good as you've seen because he didn't go with a full correction.

I have not heard that expressed before


Would make an interesting test:

- Perfect Paint w/ coating

- Compounded only w/ coating

- Uncorrected with coating

[mg6045]

contact angle of the beads is probably not as good as you've seen because he didn't go with a full correction.

I dont believe they are related. I can apply Sonax Polymer Net shield to any hacked up paint job and get the most uniform super tight ball bearing type beads I have ever seen.

I just dont think PBL paint and surface coatings produces super uniform beads. Believe it or not but Black Label Synergy produces the best beading in the lineup from my testing. Synergy is very impressive.

[dpk20x]

Jeep looks nice

I am surprised the contact angle of the beads is not higher


You might consider adjusting your verbiage when discussing glazes:

"you may still be able to see some of the marring that the amigo was unable to remove. Now honestly I have no idea if Amigo corrected some of the damage or..."

A glaze fills defects, it does not "remove" or "correct" defects

True. I guess if you want to get technical Amigo is a pre-wax cleaner. It has light abrasives with a glaze component to it.

[TurboToys]

I have not heard that expressed before


Would make an interesting test:

- Perfect Paint w/ coating

- Compounded only w/ coating

- Uncorrected with coating

the difference i'm talking about is the difference between a very flat and unform surface, and one that has a lot of small ething and scratches in it. it may not be true for every application, which is why i said probably, and not that it definitely was. different products with different properties may fill in defects better than others though too. no way to be sure as to why it isn't beading more or less unless someone gets in and does some real testing to find out what is making the difference.

[allenk4]

the difference i'm talking about is the difference between a very flat and unform surface, and one that has a lot of small ething and scratches in it. it may not be true for every application, which is why i said probably, and not that it definitely was. different products with different properties may fill in defects better than others though too. no way to be sure as to why it isn't beading more or less unless someone gets in and does some real testing to find out what is making the difference.

Looking forward to seeing your testing on the theory above

It will be a thread worth reading

[PiPUK]

The beading should not really be a strong function of the surface not having been corrected fully. For the most part, the beading is down to the chemistry of the coating/sealant/wax, not anything to do with the underlying surface. In actual fact, microscopically rough surfaces will give the most significant beading - it is called the lotus effect.

The matter of cleanliness is to minimise the risk of problems. You can still get bonding but one cannot be certain, nor could one be certain that there would be other issues, whether it is spreading, coverage or whatever. So, sure you can apply without all the cleanliness and it may well work perfectly well, but it is impossible to test all possibilities with regards to what contamination is present so the results could not be guaranteed. That alone is why the manufacturers make the recommendations they do.