Meguiar's #21 sealant hides swirls?

[davidc11291]

I randomly saw this sealant mentioned in a thread and started looking it up. The product description states that it will hide light swirls, meaning it's got fillers. This immediately piqued my curiosity as something I could use on low budget details to provide a little extra sparkle.

Does #21 actually mask any swirls? What's the longevity of this sealant? Are there any other sealants with fillers that are better performing?

[davidc11291]

[PorscheGuy997]

All waxes and sealants will cover up defects to some extent. M21 does a particularly nice job of masking some.

As far as longevity goes, it depends on so many factors that if's impossible for two to get the same results.

[yakky]

M21 does help with Micro Marring, real swirls, not really. Just the sealant look of it tends to amplify larger swirls, so its a net zero effect. Lots of better choices if that is what you are looking for. Anything with carnauba is going to do a better job.

[FUNX725]

Originally Posted by davidc11291

I randomly saw this sealant mentioned in a thread and started looking it up. The product description states that it will hide light swirls, meaning it's got fillers.

-Since you stated:"meaning it's got fillers")...

Then I will understand that statement as:
You believe that there are fillers that hide things like light-swirls...
Am I correct in that understanding?

-If so...What are fillers anyway? Can you name some of them?

-To the best of your knowledge...
What "kind(s)/name(s)" of fillers, then, does M#21 contain?

^^^Just curious.^^^


Now...As far as:

Originally Posted by davidc11291

something I could use on low budget details to provide a little extra sparkle.

IMHO...
-Only if that's what your customer-base will be willing to accept.
And...Only you know for sure, if that is true, or not.



Bob

[davidc11291]

Originally Posted by FUNX725

-Since you stated:"meaning it's got fillers")...

Then I will understand that statement as:
You believe that there are fillers that hide things like light-swirls...
Am I correct in that understanding?

-If so...What are fillers anyway? Can you name some of them?

-To the best of your knowledge...
What "kind(s)/name(s)" of fillers, then, does M#21 contain?

Well if you've ever polished a section to what seems to be a swirl free finish, then had an IPA wipedown reveal swirls that were filled and hidden by things in the polish, then I guess that would answer the question of whether or not fillers exist.

No, I cannot name any of them, just like I have no idea what's in polishing oils, or what abrasives are in compounds and polishes. Most companies like to protect proprietary information.

Originally Posted by FUNX725

-Only if that's what your customer-base will be willing to accept.
And...Only you know for sure, if that is true, or not.

Since they're only paying for a wash and wax, I'm pretty sure it's ok if I use a lsp that improves appearance a little more, without charging anything extra.

[Nicholas@Autowerx]

Give D151 a look if you want a cheapo compound for wash & wax type jobs. In my experience clients that are looking for a less expensive service don't always have the best kept paint finishes... D151 actually provides a decent amount of correction and leaves wax protection behind as well. It slightly fills as well, as any wax does to a certain extent. However, if you work it right it will survive an IPA wipe down and the panel will still look great.

[Vegas Transplant]

Originally Posted by davidc11291

This immediately piqued my curiosity as something I could use on low budget details to provide a little extra sparkle.

I can't answer the questions concerning the M21, but low budget pricing led me to the OPS one step. Usually after completing the interior, I'll top it off with OOS or OCW for a low overhead, no cost to the customer, "extra sparkle".

The sweet thing about OCW and OOS is that the look improves as it cures...so the next day it actually looks better than when the customer gets their keys back.

So my suggestion would be to pick up the M21 if you're inclined...or to pick up a WOWA/WOWO lsp that's of your product line.

[FUNX725]

Originally Posted by davidc11291

Well if you've ever polished a section to what seems to be a swirl free finish

^^^Sure Have^^^

then had an IPA wipedown reveal swirls that were filled and hidden by things in the polish, then I guess that would answer the question of whether or not fillers exist.

^^^Not necessarily so...IMO^^^

-What if the "swirls-being-hidden" were caused to be hidden, by abraded CC...not 'fillers'?
-Wouldn't an IPA wipe-down remove this abraded CC...
revealing an "unfinished polishing-session"...unless this is the
polishing-stage at which you decide to "quit polishing"?

No, I cannot name any of them, just like I have no idea what's in polishing oils, or what abrasives are in compounds and polishes. Most companies like to protect proprietary information.

-^^^Fillers are not proprietary^^^.

-Too bad, IMHO, that you feel you can exclaim and blame:
Fillers for hiding...when you don't have a clue what:
Real fillers are, or their purposes in car-care products.

Another $0.02 of mine regarding: "Fillers".

Bob

[davidc11291]

Originally Posted by FUNX725

No, I cannot name any of them, just like I have no idea what's in polishing oils, or what abrasives are in compounds and polishes. Most companies like to protect proprietary information.

-^^^Fillers are not proprietary^^^.
Really? I've never been able to find an ingredients list for any of the products I use, other than what's required on the MSDS.

-Too bad, IMHO, that you feel you can exclaim and blame:
Fillers for hiding

So do fillers hide swirls or not? If yes, I don't "blame" them for that, as if that's always a negative property. It's pretty clear from my original post that I see that as a positive trait in certain circumstances.

...when you don't have a clue what:
Real fillers are, or their purposes in car-care products.

It's my understanding that the filling properties of some polishes is usually a by-product of the particular formulation that a company uses for the oils that carry the abrasives, as opposed to a specific design goal, with glazes being an exception to that.

Please enlighten me. What are fillers. What kinds of fillers are there, and what are some of their names. What are their purposes in car-care products. Of course that information could've come in your first posts.

David