Optimum Hyper Compound on yellow foam pad, not enough cut?

[Buckskincolt]

Originally Posted by SSizzlin'

Thanks, Mike.

Not maybe, but YES, I do need to keep improving my technique. I have a long way to go.

It's good to be humbled like this. I don't mind it at all. I go off on these tangents sometimes when I have no right to. Takes a lot to admit this, but sometimes you have to man up!

Mark,

You do awesome work and give a lot of people here great advise
To help them along their way to success! I always read your posts with great interest. I for one would like to thank you for taking the time to be a part of this forum, you have taught me a lot by being here! Even if you are wrong sometimes ...... J/K

[richy]

Originally Posted by SSizzlin'

Thanks, Mike.

Not maybe, but YES, I do need to keep improving my technique. I have a long way to go.

It's good to be humbled like this. I don't mind it at all. I go off on these tangents sometimes when I have no right to. Takes a lot to admit this, but sometimes you have to man up!

You just went up in my opinion of you (which was already high) immeasurably! Many could learn from a post like this. Nobody's perfect and sometimes we fire something off in anger. I know I have. Well done.

[Mike.Phillips@Autogeek]

Originally Posted by Buckskincolt

Mark,

You do awesome work and give a lot of people here great advise

To help them along their way to success! I always read your posts with great interest. I for one would like to thank you for taking the time to be a part of this forum, you have taught me a lot by being here!

Even if you are wrong sometimes ...... J/K

Well said and I agree.

[tuscarora dave]

Originally Posted by Mike.Phillips@Autogeek

If you overuse a product you can over lubricate or hyper-lubricate the surface and instead of the abrasives biting in and taking bites out of the paint they tend to glide over the surface. There is a balance though because if you don't have enough product then you will not have enough abrasives or enough lubricants to enable the pad to rotate effectively.

This little paragraph here explains a majority of the struggle I had in learning how to correct serious paint defects with any style polisher. Having come up short repeatedly with a particular compound and switching to another just prolonged the struggle for me as I never really worked through the learning curve of some of the most effective compounds on the market.

A lot of experimenting with different amounts of product went into getting it right. Once I got it all figured out, a totally different paint system came along and what worked on the first car didn't work well on the next and so on...

I pretty much have to go through this during the test section with every car that comes into my shop. Only difference now is that having been through it so many times it takes a lot less time to get it figured out now. Sometimes it takes a few hours to get through the test section to figure out what will work the best using the least aggressive method first.

It is the testing in this least aggressive method first approach that separates a lot of us on detailing discussion forums from the rest of the detailing world. We remove "just enough" paint to get the results we're looking for, so it's much better for the customer's investment in the long run.

When the customer takes the cheaper route, citing "your prices are too high", they go somewhere else and typically get a detailer who performs what I call a "cookie cutter approach" on every car that he touches, regardless of how soft or hard the paint is. That guy is likely removing way too much paint on some cars and not enough on others.

When he does nail down a near perfect finish and the customer is thrilled with the results, the customer doesn't actually realize that he or she just lost perhaps half or more of the paint's film build off of their car.

Keep practicing and you'll eventually get it down.

[Bunky]

I remember 5 years ago where Meg's M83/M80 with Meg's polishing was a popular combo that gave show car results. It worked then but newer products usually just work faster and easier.

[ihaveacamaro]

Originally Posted by Buckskincolt

I really don't feel that there is that much cut difference between the M105 and the Hyper compound. I do find that both really change their capabilitys with the pad choice.
A look here: Autogeek Swirl Removers & Compounds Comparison Chart at the polish chart backs that up. They are both rated heavy cut and M105 only one step more aggressive than the hyper compound. I doubt that this would make a night and day difference.

The OP may need a fiber pad to work on a very hard clear. I also think as he is new a big part of him having some trouble is his techniques, and learning the polishes. This is not to bash him at all, I remember my frustration trying to get correction. I would work and work and not get the results, then go ask questions, watch videos and try again. As I learned my results improved. If you had ask me after my first fail I would have sworn that I followed directions and did everything right, Just like people said and in the videos ..... But small changes later, wow better results.

I think a lot of people think they can buy the buffer, a couple polishes and fix paint. They can with practice and guidance but rarely is a persons first time flawless. Also the OP has a challenging project he is trying to start on making it even more difficult.

Technique first then maybe a different pad choice is what he needs to do to get the results he desires.

Hey Buckskincolt,

I totally agree with you. In my first post, I even said that this problem may totally be with my technique.

Originally Posted by ihaveacamaro

so maybe it was my technique more than anything, but I didn't notice as much cut as I thought I would've.

I guess I will just keep on trying and see if my results change!


Thank you everyone for your input, I have read every suggestion and I will try to implement them the next time I get the chance to. I will update with a new thread with the results!

[DaveT435]

Originally Posted by ihaveacamaro

Hey Buckskincolt,

I totally agree with you. In my first post, I even said that this problem may totally be with my technique.




I guess I will just keep on trying and see if my results change!


Thank you everyone for your input, I have read every suggestion and I will try to implement them the next time I get the chance to. I will update with a new thread with the results!

I can see where too much product might be easy to do with this product. I don't know how much of this stuff you bought...but in the end if it's just not working out for you I'll buy what you have left...preferable full bottles...

[ihaveacamaro]

Originally Posted by DaveT435

I can see where too much product might be easy to do with this product. I don't know how much of this stuff you bought...but in the end if it's just not working out for you I'll buy what you have left...preferable full bottles...

Oh I don't give up easy, not in my nature. I'll make it work one way or another

[DaveT435]

Originally Posted by ihaveacamaro

Oh I don't give up easy, not in my nature. I'll make it work one way or another

Cool...let me know it works out.