Weekly Drywashed - 2 years and running - Sun Shots

[TimmyG]

Originally Posted by arack

I find it hard to believe that you are really seeing massive circular swirls in these two pictures. You have to actually inspect the car yourself to see something of that nature.

Maybe you should just relax and let this whole swirl thing go. Obviously the customer is happy and the fleck in this paint make it really hard to see these massive swirls that are troubling you.

Maybe you need to go get your vision checked. There are some minor swirls that are very visible and would be clear as day if it weren't for the metallic in the paint. It's not my car and I really don't care. Congrats to the OP for keeping his customers happy as that's what it's all about at the end of the day

[B&B Tennessee]

WOW - came home to find this thread slammed with comments!


I want to first toss out there that "Drywash" Is not a term I came up with - I was taught that term years ago when detailing aircraft. Here is a pic of a chemical I use that happens to be in my office :



I would go to the truck and take a pic of this other product I use but Im exhausted and staying off my feet.... so here is the companies over view of another product I use :

Heavy Duty Drywash/Polish Cleaner

with U/V Protectant

Intensifies Color on Oxidized Paint Surfaces while preserving from further oxidation

Heavy-Duty “Waterless” Cleaning, Safe to All Paints

As a DryWash/Polish Wipe On, Let Dry, Wipe Off to a Clean, Bright Surface.

At a dilution of 4 to 1 may be used as a quick drywash wipeon/wipeoff cleaner

Protectant Coating on Both Painted and Metal Surfaces













I don't want the misconception going around that I named this process at all lol.






I'd like to say that the sun picks are more to show the minimal swirls compared to many other methods of wash - especially that of car washes, brush washes, etc. Any method will induce swirls over time obviously, but I do feel that these 2 cars show that if maintained weekly with this method that a vehicle's swirls will be very minimal. I could argue the fact that these were not paint corrected before I touched them, or that they were dragged through carwashes before I touched them, or that I NEVER wipe in a circular motion which would show micro scratches in a straight line rather than that of a swirl - BUT the reason I don't argue these points is the fact that there is a chance that these were induced by ourselves over a 2 year period - With all that said, I am very pleased with the protection and minimality of swirls for being 2 years running.


About the prices - these are a couple of rare clients for us. Maybe we lucked out, but they have been amazing at continuing on a weekly basis with no real hiccups. Also they don't care which day wee come as long as it is once a week..... we have built trust with them and they with us - so they have been some of our best clients period since inception. I do not have any other clients that require our services this consistently - most others are monthly or every couple of months.


I really dislike the fact that these threads turn into debates, but I suppose that is the pattern of many forums. I appreciate everyone's input in this forum and learn ALOT from you all..... this is what I can teach others from my perspective and hope it helps members.

[Tom@ADTR_MD]

Cars look good. Wash induced swirls are inevitable regardless of the method of washing a car whether it be waterless, rinseless, etc. Needless to say as long as the customer is happy with the results, that's all that matters. Not everybody is as concerned about swirls like us as they are shiny paint.

I have tried waterless wash and was satisfied with the results it provided and as long is care is taken when using the product as with any other product we may use.

[arack]

Originally Posted by TimmyG

Maybe you need to go get your vision checked. There are some minor swirls that are very visible and would be clear as day if it weren't for the metallic in the paint. It's not my car and I really don't care. Congrats to the OP for keeping his customers happy as that's what it's all about at the end of the day

Sorry, but you are incorrect. There are no minor swirls visable. I would be glad to review you visual evidence to support your conspiracy swirl photo shot on this thread.

[Flannigan]

Originally Posted by arack

Sorry, but you are incorrect. There are no minor swirls visable. I would be glad to review you visual evidence to support your conspiracy swirl photo shot on this thread.

LMFAO, I love how you are blindlydefending a photo just because you can't see the swirls. I know I see the swirls, and once a guy like Rasky (who knows more about detailing and swirl correction than most on this forum) says he can see the swirls, I know they are in fact there.

[Kristopher1129]

Man, I feel like this toss up never ends, ha.

Anthony...you don't need to "prove" yourself to anybody. I think the whole dry wash thing is understood at this point. At least I get it.

I gotta say though. Saying it is a safe swirl free way to wash your vehicle is a bit untrue. If you took this method to a freshly corrected black paint a week later to clean it...I guarantee you I would find induced swirls due to this very method with a quick inspection. Regardless...after two years, there's minimal swirling in that paint. It's there, you can clearly see it in two photos. The metallics in the paint are masking them a bit...but they're definitely there.

Photos are one thing, but physically moving, and manipulating the reflection of the sun around the whole vehicle will certainly reveal swirls, light scratches, etc. Simply spraying and wiping is obviously going to drag dirt across the paint. Especially without a pre-rinse regardless of whatever lubrication is provided by this dry wash product.

That being said...I wouldn't disagree that it's a great weekly service. It's perfect for those who don't want perfection, or even care about swirls. I personally wouldn't even think to wash a vehicle this way following a correction. But, that's a different ball game to me. I don't feel corrections, and this service belong in the same conversation.

For example, when a customer comes to me for a wash following a full correction...the process is MUCH different. I pre-foam with the cannon, and pressure rinse. I use a fresh mitt, two buckets with grit guards. ONR in one bucket, and soapy water in the other. I foam again, then wash panel by panel from top to bottom rinsing and re-dipping the mitt for every panel then rinse again. That to me, is the true way to avoid swirls safely.

I think a lot of others use that method, or something similar to avoid swirls. So, I feel that is where the arguments stem from. To think that we do allllll that to avoid swirls, and you just spray and wipe claiming to get the same results, or level of safety as a more traditional method is kind of a stretch. I'm not saying your method will create swirls. What I'm saying is...it's VERY likely in comparison.

I understand why it works for you. I also don't think it's incorrect in any manner. I'm sure it's a profitable approach, and you have tons of happy customers because of it. Hell, I've got customers that would probably setup a weekly service with me as well using the very same process. But, from a detailers point of view...it's not a true swirl free method. What it is, is effective at creating shine. To me, that's all it is. It's a great express service. For anyone who doesn't care about swirls...it's perfect.

[B&B Tennessee]

Originally Posted by Kristopher1129

Man, I feel like this toss up never ends, ha.

Anthony...you don't need to "prove" yourself to anybody. I think the whole dry wash thing is understood at this point. At least I get it.

I gotta say though. Saying it is a safe swirl free way to wash your vehicle is a bit untrue. If you took this method to a freshly corrected black paint a week later to clean it...I guarantee you I would find induced swirls due to this very method with a quick inspection. Regardless...after two years, there's minimal swirling in that paint. It's there, you can clearly see it in two photos. The metallics in the paint are masking them a bit...but they're definitely there.

Photos are one thing, but physically moving, and manipulating the reflection of the sun around the whole vehicle will certainly reveal swirls, light scratches, etc. Simply spraying and wiping is obviously going to drag dirt across the paint. Especially without a pre-rinse regardless of whatever lubrication is provided by this dry wash product.

That being said...I wouldn't disagree that it's a great weekly service. It's perfect for those who don't want perfection, or even care about swirls. I personally wouldn't even think to wash a vehicle this way following a correction. But, that's a different ball game to me. I don't feel corrections, and this service belong in the same conversation.

For example, when a customer comes to me for a wash following a full correction...the process is MUCH different. I pre-foam with the cannon, and pressure rinse. I use a fresh mitt, two buckets with grit guards. ONR in one bucket, and soapy water in the other. I foam again, then wash panel by panel from top to bottom rinsing and re-dipping the mitt for every panel then rinse again. That to me, is the true way to avoid swirls safely.

I think a lot of others use that method, or something similar to avoid swirls. So, I feel that is where the arguments stem from. To think that we do allllll that to avoid swirls, and you just spray and wipe claiming to get the same results, or level of safety as a more traditional method is kind of a stretch. I'm not saying your method will create swirls. What I'm saying is...it's VERY likely in comparison.

I understand why it works for you. I also don't think it's incorrect in any manner. I'm sure it's a profitable approach, and you have tons of happy customers because of it. Hell, I've got customers that would probably setup a weekly service with me as well using the very same process. But, from a detailers point of view...it's not a true swirl free method. What it is, is effective at creating shine. To me, that's all it is. It's a great express service. For anyone who doesn't care about swirls...it's perfect.

Good to hear from you Kris - almost even called you the other day lol to see how things are going! I don't claim swirl free express details at all man. I do believe if done correctly that swirls are minimal at best. Any process will create swirls period..... and I am not saying that my method does not - but I can say that these vehicles are protected each week with a thin layer of protection and are never filthy enough to create the concern of inducing swirls. I use water and soap on many of my endeavors when it comes to detailing, but I will standby this method as a regular procedure of safe cleaning. Maybe we should post a year long vid of 2 bucket method vs. my method lol..... either way at the end of 2 years both vehicles will have swirls, but I think they will be damn near equivalent in the quantity of swirls produced. To step away from the microscope - you must admit, after 2 years - flakes or no flakes, the clear is in great condition?!?!?!?

[RaskyR1]

Originally Posted by arack

I find it hard to believe that you are really seeing massive circular swirls in these two pictures. You have to actually inspect the car yourself to see something of that nature.

Maybe you should just relax and let this whole swirl thing go. Obviously the customer is happy and the fleck in this paint make it really hard to see these massive swirls that are troubling you.

I was reading the thread and you asked which pictures people were seeing marring is so I posted them, nothing more. I didn't comment on anything else and I have no idea if they are from the dry washing or if they were there when the owner bought the car, but they are there....I think maybe you read into too much...

[arack]

Originally Posted by Flannigan

LMFAO, I love how you are blindlydefending a photo just because you can't see the swirls. I know I see the swirls, and once a guy like Rasky (who knows more about detailing and swirl correction than most on this forum) says he can see the swirls, I know they are in fact there.

LMFAO is an offensive term. Please be sure to use appropriate language on the forum. I am extremely offended by your lack of civility.

[Flannigan]

Originally Posted by arack

LMFAO is an offensive term. Please be sure to use appropriate language on the forum. I am extremely offended by your lack of civility.

Ugh, I'll be sure to let all the radio stations that play LMFAO songs know that they are "extremely offending" you...